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Offline rubinsteinmad

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Playing smooth arpeggios
on: June 16, 2015, 03:20:01 AM
Does anyone have any tips (blocking intervals, chords, etc.) for making quiet, pianissimo arpeggios queter?

This is for the passages of the Canzone of Naples from the Tarentella by Liszt

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Re: Playing smooth arpeggios
Reply #1 on: June 16, 2015, 07:51:44 AM
You can try to get some tips from this video :)))
https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLm5WQleMU0B3WjCBcL-irMRGFx41aXPgx&v=IH8z9a-G844

About achieving soft touch and sound I would recommend to simply imagine every note in let's say beautiful quite and soft violins sound, and when you have a clear sound idea your fingers will follow your imagination and touch keys differently :)

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Re: Playing smooth arpeggios
Reply #2 on: June 16, 2015, 10:13:36 AM
Practice Chopin's Op. 10 No. 1 and the variants of it by Godowsky and Chavez.


Mvh,
Michael

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Re: Playing smooth arpeggios
Reply #3 on: June 16, 2015, 11:44:12 AM
You can try to get some tips from this video :)))

Well, I suppose you could try. I suspect in vain  :P
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Re: Playing smooth arpeggios
Reply #4 on: June 16, 2015, 08:09:30 PM
Practice Chopin's Op. 10 No. 1 and the variants of it by Godowsky and Chavez.


Mvh,
Michael

The passages in the Liszt are much easier than the etude. The passages are just arpeggios  ::) BUt still, they are pretty hard for me. That etude is even harder to do smoothly!  :-[ I won't even think about the other 2 transcriptions  ::)

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Re: Playing smooth arpeggios
Reply #5 on: June 16, 2015, 08:18:35 PM

About achieving soft touch and sound I would recommend to simply imagine every note in let's say beautiful quite and soft violins sound, and when you have a clear sound idea your fingers will follow your imagination and touch keys differently :)

My fingers do not always want to follow what I imagine in music.  How dare they?
Chopin, 10-8 | Chopin, 25-12 | Haydn, HOB XVI:20

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Re: Playing smooth arpeggios
Reply #6 on: July 14, 2015, 01:51:05 PM
One of the things that has helped me is to practice arpeggios very staccato.   I had the tendency to collapse my hand while playing legato arpeggios (kind of like slouching while sitting down on a sofa), which put undue weight on my hand, effectively accenting every note my thumbs played.  Playing brisk staccato arpeggios encourages the hand to be lighter and more even, at least for me, and once that is a habit, it makes legato a lot easier.   I'm no teacher, but it has worked for me.

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Re: Playing smooth arpeggios
Reply #7 on: July 14, 2015, 10:59:56 PM
One of the things that has helped me is to practice arpeggios very staccato.   I had the tendency to collapse my hand while playing legato arpeggios (kind of like slouching while sitting down on a sofa), which put undue weight on my hand, effectively accenting every note my thumbs played.  Playing brisk staccato arpeggios encourages the hand to be lighter and more even, at least for me, and once that is a habit, it makes legato a lot easier.   I'm no teacher, but it has worked for me.

My teacher has also recommend this.. it works for me as well

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Re: Playing smooth arpeggios
Reply #8 on: July 15, 2015, 04:18:15 PM
Practice Chopin's Op. 10 No. 1 and the variants of it by Godowsky and Chavez.


Mvh,
Michael

yes Godowsky's 10/1 studies are full of pianissimo

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Re: Playing smooth arpeggios
Reply #9 on: July 15, 2015, 04:29:28 PM
find that practicing  arpeggios lightly and quietly helps me to play arpeggios more lightly and more quietly.

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Re: Playing smooth arpeggios
Reply #10 on: July 15, 2015, 05:53:11 PM
find that practicing  arpeggios lightly and quietly helps me to play arpeggios more lightly and more quietly.

ikr ;D Only problem is, when I try playing light and quiet, it translates to the piano as "wak and puny". It does not translate into "Mozart touch".  :'(

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Re: Playing smooth arpeggios
Reply #11 on: July 15, 2015, 05:58:39 PM
ikr ;D Only problem is, when I try playing light and quiet, it translates to the piano as "wak and puny". It does not translate into "Mozart touch".  :'(
then you are not playing into the bottoms of the keys. you need to limit your speed into the key but not the depth.  play very very slow and ensure you actually bottom out (at first - you can lighten some later but it is ear guided you stop when you no longer project). also check yourself on a quality instrument if you are limited by a less than stellar piano, you may find it's not really your 'fault' as much as it is the piano not cooperating with you (which is convenient, i almost always blame my shabby playing on the piano no cooperating with me  ;D )

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Re: Playing smooth arpeggios
Reply #12 on: July 17, 2015, 02:48:28 AM
I practice on a Steinway. Model M. So yeah, its pretty good.  ;D

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Re: Playing smooth arpeggios
Reply #13 on: July 18, 2015, 05:53:03 AM
One of my teachers (I have two, technically; I study primarily with one, both he and his wife studied at the Guild Hall in the UK and now teach in Portland, OR, so I get tips from both) also taught me to always keep my arms moving (play your arpeggios with your arms, she might say). Practicing this slowly is essential, but you don't need to waste time working it up with the metronome once you have it done. Moving the arms as a unit really worked for me, don't know if it'll work for you or not, but definitely worth a try.
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