Next large scale piece

[cameronbiles]

Hi guys it's me again, I was just wondering what would be a good large scale piece (prefably of sonata or something reasonably long) for me to learn? In terms of style I cannot get my fingers round baroque keyboard music and I have learnt that along with Mozart, Chopin (as much as he is a lovely composer) and I don't mix well at all.

My latest pieces that I've learnt are Ravels sonatine, Chopin ballade no. 3 and Fazils says Paganini variations. My only full blown sonata that I've learnt is the moonlight so I feel like expanding that field.

Thanks again

[visitor]

Dello Joio no 3 is freakin insane/awesome (esp that adagio), i *heart 4 movement and single movement sonatas, this is one of my fav in that 4 mv cat.

[visitor]

my absolute fav romantic/neo romantic sonatas are Konsenko 1 and 3.   (actually most of my most liked sonatas end up being a 'no 3' by that composer, quirky coincidence  )

here's the latter , ala single mvmn,

[cameronbiles]

Dello Joio no 3 is freakin insane/awesome (esp that adagio), i *heart 4 movement and single movement sonatas, this is one of my fav in that 4 mv cat.

I seem to remember you posting something by the same composer on a previous thread of mine, is he one of your favourites at the moment by any chance?

[visitor]

just really like his music. Is one of the more 'standard' American composers. I wouldn't say a favorite but I like his music a lot (and it does't make my ears bleed like some of his contemporaries)

[chopinlover01]

Perhaps this set of Rachmaninoff's? It's a great introduction to his style if you haven't played much of him already.

[cameronbiles]

Perhaps this set of Rachmaninoff's? It's a great introduction to his style if you haven't played much of him already.

What is it called? As your video doesn't appear to be working although I'm guessing it's morceaux de fantasie?

[symphonicdance]

I would rather suggest you to work on baroque e.g. WTC, suites, partitas, etc. for now since you mentioned some having issues there.  Many large scale works have polyphony characters, and many of them even have a movement is written in fugue, e.g. Beethoven Piano Sonatas nos 28, 29 & 31, Barber PS, etc.

[cameronbiles]

I would rather suggest you to work on baroque e.g. WTC, suites, partitas, etc. for now since you mentioned some having issues there.  Many large scale works have polyphony characters, and many of them even have a movement is written in fugue, e.g. Beethoven Piano Sonatas nos 28, 29 & 31, Barber PS, etc.

Yeah I'd quite see where you're coming from I might have to bite the bullet on this one and get on with it xD any you'd recommend?

[j_menz]

Many large scale works have polyphony

Not many, almost all. And that's true of small scale works as well.

[visitor]

... My only full blown sonata that I've learnt is the moonlight so I feel like expanding that field.

Thanks again

this is my favorite Scriabin sonata. note it is not titled as such but by form (and analyze structure, thematic development, melodic transformation etc.), it is essentially a single mvmnt sonata by another name (there are other examples in lit of sonatas masquerading  as 'other').  This also my favorite work by Scrabin, and in my top 3 of all time fav piano pieces, ever.

give it a looksy

[cameronbiles]

this is my favorite Scriabin sonata. note it is not titled as such but by form (and analyze structure, thematic development, melodic transformation etc.), it is essentially a single mvmnt sonata by another name (there are other examples in lit of sonatas masquerading  as 'other').  This also my favorite work by Scrabin, and in my top 3 of all time fav piano pieces, ever.

give it a looksy

Sounds nice what is it called?

[visitor]

sorry, thhought video link would show, it's his Fantasie Op 28 (those Scriabin works from any post op. 8 through about op 50 are where it's at, seriously, some of the best piano music ever written)

 

https://imslp.org/wiki/Fantasie,_Op.28_(Scriabin,_Aleksandr)


https://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/fantasy-in-b-minor-opus-28-sheet-music/4293836

[cameronbiles]

sorry, thhought video link would show, it's his Fantasie Op 28 (those Scriabin works from any post op. 8 through about op 50 are where it's at, seriously, some of the best piano music ever written)

 

https://imslp.org/wiki/Fantasie,_Op.28_(Scriabin,_Aleksandr)


https://www.sheetmusicplus.com/title/fantasy-in-b-minor-opus-28-sheet-music/4293836

It's alright,you'd think it would show. For my sins I have neglected Scriabins works I only knew of his op.10 preludes and a few of his latter sonatas. However I have done some digging and his third piano sonata sounds wonderful strangely echoey of Ravels use of harmony (only the use of extended harmony mind you!) 

[diomedes]

The trio in the 2nd mvt I always really though sounded so close to Ravel. I hope I can manage my workload this summer and at least re learn some part of the 3rd sonata, it's incredible. Apparently Pogorelich will have it in his repertoire in approaching seasons.

You should look at some of the op.25 mazurkas, the polonaise and op.8 etudes. I'd consider that the most intuitively attractive Scriabin.  Careful, you'll get addicted.

[cameronbiles]

The trio in the 2nd mvt I always really though sounded so close to Ravel. I hope I can manage my workload this summer and at least re learn some part of the 3rd sonata, it's incredible. Apparently Pogorelich will have it in his repertoire in approaching seasons.

You should look at some of the op.25 mazurkas, the polonaise and op.8 etudes. I'd consider that the most intuitively attractive Scriabin.  Careful, you'll get addicted.

Nah, my drug of choice will always be ravel or poulenc

[visitor]

It's alright,you'd think it would show. For my sins I have neglected Scriabins works I only knew of his op.10 preludes and a few of his latter sonatas. However I have done some digging and his third piano sonata sounds wonderful strangely echoey of Ravels use of harmony (only the use of extended harmony mind you!) 

YES! no 3 and 4 tops in my book -> from the standard lot (they fall into that middle period of his output, and i adore that sound)
if you're looking to explore something a bit more 'romantic' and before he  fully developed his sound (but still has nice bits), try this from pre sonata no 1 , an early work in e flat minor from 1889, it would later be called allegro appasionato op 4
see disc here
https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=34424.0

good luck, let us know what you settle on  

[visitor]

The trio in the 2nd mvt I always really though sounded so close to Ravel. I hope I can manage my workload this summer and at least re learn some part of the 3rd sonata, it's incredible. Apparently Pogorelich will have it in his repertoire in approaching seasons.

You should look at some of the op.25 mazurkas, the polonaise and op.8 etudes. I'd consider that the most intuitively attractive Scriabin.  Careful, you'll get addicted.

not a fan of polonaises generally but i love that polonaise, it's an 'early' middle period work, but a real exercise in 'effortless' octaves, any tension will de rail anyone about half way through that thing.  awesome piece though, you're right.

have performed some mazurkas, they are overshadowed by the etudes and preludes but no less deserving, and as miniatures really show some incredible variety and ingenuity in conciseness of form

[cameronbiles]

not a fan of polonaises generally but i love that polonaise, it's an 'early' middle period work, but a real exercise in 'effortless' octaves, any tension will de rail anyone about half way through that thing.  awesome piece though, you're right.

have performed some mazurkas, they are overshadowed by the etudes and preludes but no less deserving, and as miniatures really show some incredible variety and ingenuity in conciseness of form

Good thing that rolling octaves is one of my strengths!

[diomedes]

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not a fan of polonaises generally but i love that polonaise, it's an 'early' middle period work, but a real exercise in 'effortless' octaves, any tension will de rail anyone about half way through that thing.  awesome piece though, you're right.

I'm fairly ok with my recording of the Scriabin polonaise, but I remember very clearly during the process I was really exhausted at the end, the octaves were fine, it's the giant chords immediately after when the theme is full orchestral regalia that is really demanding. When I play his music, I'm often so puzzled how he was such a small man physically.

[cameronbiles]

good luck, let us know what you settle on  

Hi thought you'd let you know I've settled on Ravels valses nobles et sentimentales and a liszt transcription of Wagner Tristan and Isolde ( it's not the prelude which is rediculous!) both appear well within my playing so thankfully won't push the bar too high

[otyler27]

Some Rachmaninoff, especially Rach 1, lush, bouncy and vivacious, not too hard.