The schirmers edition for scarlatti is it good ?

[sammmue]

I just bought a huge collection of scarlatti sonata. Is the schirmers edition good ? I plan to use for college

[j_menz]

Schirmer publishes a two volume, 60 sonata, set edited by Ralph Kirkpatrick and a three voume, 100 sonata, set edited by Eiji Hashimoto. Which do you mean?

Either way, they're only a small subset of Domenico's output, but, selection aside, either should be suitable for most normal purposes.

[outin]

These are both good, there's very little editing and Kirkpatrick offers good performance notes.

[sammmue]

What sonatas do you recommend around grade 7 -8 or higher able to play for audition or performance ? Thanks !

[outin]

What sonatas do you recommend around grade 7 -8 or higher able to play for audition or performance ? Thanks !

One of our members, Bernhard, once posted a list of  sonatas according to difficulty. Here's the link to the old thread:
https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=19512.0

Which do I recommed? Any of them that appeal to you
Also depends if you want a well known sonata (like K9, K466, K87, K197)or something less commonly played? Fast or slower?

That lists is not even half of the whole bunch, so there's plenty more...

[sammmue]

The more well known one normally i cant find in my edition... lol sucks i spent alot money on it ><

I finding sometime unique, fun, performance worthy (fast or slow doesnt matter)


Thanks !

[visitor]

when in doubt, ask your professor. usually in the academic/formal study setting, i move towards the premium standards ie Henle.  Ricordi has a nice set of books on a lot of the lot as well.
if your teacher says fine, and if you like the edition, good deal.  if i am really geeking on a piece, i will get at least a couple editions to compare and take away what I like, find alternatives, etc.

[j_menz]

if i am really geeking on a piece, i will get at least a couple editions to compare

Given that most of the pieces you get geeky about exist in one sole manuscript edition locked in a vault in Siberia guarded by dragons, somehow I suspect that's not always true. 

[outin]

I finding sometime unique, fun, performance worthy (fast or slow doesnt matter)

I may not be the right person to ask, since I happen think at least 80% of the 550 are very much performance worthy

So which edition do you have?

[visitor]

Given that most of the pieces you get geeky about exist in one sole manuscript edition locked in a vault in Siberia guarded by dragons, somehow I suspect that's not always true.  

you have a very valid point.  i should have said, those that I nerd out on  - and are actually available in print   -
as for the former, looking for the one extant example, then once successful, seeking a potential alternative (sometimes i do settle for alternate scan/rescan of the work in high DPI ha! ) is part of the fun.

it's an adventure.  I am always seeking interested courageous people to join me on the quest!

[diomedes]

I may not be the right person to ask, since I happen think at least 80% of the 550 are very much performance worthy

Agreed. I was listening to the entire mountain of them, played on harpsichord. I got as far as nearly 400 and along the way i made a list of the ones that stood out the most.

As for editions, it really depends where you are in your studies. You might need guidance, in which case a teacher.

I have k.27 in both editions on imslp, one by Kenneth Gilbert (completely absent in any phrasing or anything other than notes) and the other one i'm not sure. It claims Longo is the editor, but it's highly edited.

I'm independent so a unmarked score is something that doesn't unsettle me or confuse me, but comparisons are worth it, because i did find discrepancies between the editions.

Also, they're being played on a modern piano, so really, anything goes. Editions in this case are not the final word in any regard except for the notes being printed properly.

[sammmue]

I may not be the right person to ask, since I happen think at least 80% of the 550 are very much performance worthy

So which edition do you have?

I have the sucky SCHIRMER'S EDITION (SIXTY SONATAS in One Vol).. I hate it because it has no fingering, dynamics and notation.

[outin]

I have the sucky SCHIRMER'S EDITION (SIXTY SONATAS in One Vol).. I hate it because it has no fingering, dynamics and notation.

It's a good edition. If you want fingerings suggestions, you can download the Longo editions free from imslp. But the longo editions were edited to the point that he "corrected" Scarlatti's writing.

Of course no dynamics, this is Baroque music after all. And that's the beauty of it, you're free to experiment and make the piece yours

I will give you some recommendations later when I have access to this book...

[outin]

Here are a few of the more difficult ones from the Schirmer volume (search youtube for a listen, there might not be piano recordigs of all, but harpsichord):

K52
Slow and polyphonic

K133
Rarely played on the piano, but interesting

K140
This might fit the idea of "fun" (I wouldn't know really, since my idea of fun is quite unconventional)

K259
This one is really nice.

K492
If you want some technical challenges

K29, K517
These are great pieces to showcase your virtuosity...

The only issue I have with Kirkpatricks book is that since he was a harpsichordist, he did not include most of my favorite sonatas, that are very good to play on the piano...

[mjames]

I have the sucky SCHIRMER'S EDITION (SIXTY SONATAS in One Vol).. I hate it because it has no fingering, dynamics and notation.

That's how it should be with every single genre/era. Tired of hearing cunts telling me "but that's too fast."Please. The best part about baroque music is absolute freedom.

[outin]

If you do not actually need a book for an exam or so, I would recommend downloading the Gilbert edition scores from imslp. I know they are not public domain, but they are excellent and as they are there, so why not take advantage

Outside the Schirmer edition I would recommend a few more sonatas to look at:
K9
K27
K87
K58
K96
K141
K162
K185
K197
K426
K430
K466
K478
K487

[diomedes]

This is turning into an authentic scarlatti party. Me and my cat need to complete our marathon, but since we are exchanging grocery lists, here are ones that stood out:

K 24, 25 43, 54, 62, 96, 99, 101 104 to 106 in G all big and strong, 107, 109, 115, 116, 118- 120, 124, 138, 161, 181, 184, 185, 187, 189, 198 (199 200) 201, 204, 212 (217) 221 224 229 233 235
, 236, 239, 248, 253, 260, 261 (263 264) 276, 278, 282. 314, 319, 337, 339 nice scales man

253 is my favorite, if you can hear Skip Sempe play it, absolutely incredible.

[sammmue]

All recommendation are so informative ! Thanks !! I'll explore Scarlatti's music with your recommendation !! Thanks so much

[outin]

One of our members, Bernhard, once posted a list of  sonatas according to difficulty. Here's the link to the old thread:
https://www.pianostreet.com/smf/index.php?topic=19512.0

Talk about subjectivity of difficulty 

Bernhard has K382 listed as grade 3, same as K32 and K34??? For me this has been the most painful to learn of the sonatas I have played so far... Then again K185 is not very difficult and he list is as grade 8.

This makes me wonder... maybe the gradings give a bit too much weight on the key. Sure A minor is easier to grasp than F minor, but K382 has 4 pages, long leaps, complicated ornaments and is allegro in cut time. K185 is a 2 pager andante with almost no decoration...

Or maybe I just suck