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Offline thalbergmad

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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #50 on: July 16, 2015, 05:26:35 PM
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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #51 on: July 16, 2015, 09:53:10 PM
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Good to see that you're not too tired to post the above, even if that only required you to use a single finger in order to do so.

Back to the thread topic.

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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #52 on: July 16, 2015, 10:16:14 PM
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awww come on, man.  that was funny ;D   

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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #53 on: July 17, 2015, 07:03:53 AM
Good to see that you're not too tired to post the above, even if that only required you to use a single finger in order to do so.

Back to the thread topic.

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Well, give him a little credit. He might have held the "SHIFT" key while pressing Z.

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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #54 on: July 17, 2015, 10:01:27 AM
Well, give him a little credit. He might have held the "SHIFT" key while pressing Z.
Possibly - though not for long, I guess...

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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #55 on: July 17, 2015, 06:06:11 PM
Captain Copyright to the rescueeeeeeeeeee.

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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #56 on: July 17, 2015, 10:13:11 PM
Captain Copyright to the rescueeeeeeeeeee.
You really do appear to have contracted shift-button-itis; that said, I have less than no idea who you think might rescue, or try to rescue, what or whom from what risk/s in terms of intellectual property but, since all that stuff is, broadly speaking, in the hands of those eminently unreliable and untrustworthy entities commonly referred to as governments, all that one might hope is that you try to reocgnise not only the rights of those who have them but also the sheer fatuity of entrusting what's left of them to such institutions who not only don't understand them but who for the most part couldn't care less about them beyond ensuring as much expensive confusion in respect of them as is (in)humanly possible. You and I and many others pay the handsome price of that confusion in practice and we look set to continue to do so in ever-increasing amounts as each night follows each day.

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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #57 on: July 17, 2015, 10:49:09 PM
That last post read like it was written by a thesaurus :-*

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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #58 on: July 18, 2015, 02:15:55 AM
That last post read like it was written by a thesaurus :-*

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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #59 on: July 18, 2015, 04:04:31 AM
That last post read like it was written by a thesaurus
At least one could not reasonably say that about one that reads "ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ"...

...and better that in any case than one that reads as though written by a brontosaurus...

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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #60 on: July 18, 2015, 05:11:35 AM
You really do appear to love the shift button; that said, I don't know who you think might rescue (or try to) from risks in terms of intellectual property, but, since all that stuff is in the hands of our unreliable governments, all that you could hope for is that you try to recognize not only the rights of those who have them, but also the sheer stupidity of giving what's left of them to said governments (who not only don't understand them, but couldn't care less about them, save for ensuring as much expensive confusion as (in)humanly possible). You and I and many others pay the price of that confusion in practice and we'll probably continue to do so in larger sums as time passes.

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My Ahinton-speak is rusty, but I've tried my best to translate  ;D

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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #61 on: July 18, 2015, 01:55:51 PM
My Ahinton-speak is rusty, but I've tried my best to translate
I am not aware that there is such a phenomenon but, if indeed there is, my prowess at it's undoubtedly rustier than yours!

That said, I am obliged to question the extent and manner of your purported "translation". I wrote

"You really do appear to have contracted shift-button-itis; that said, I have less than no idea who you think might rescue, or try to rescue, what or whom from what risk/s in terms of intellectual property but, since all that stuff is, broadly speaking, in the hands of those eminently unreliable and untrustworthy entities commonly referred to as governments, all that one might hope is that you try to reocgnise not only the rights of those who have them but also the sheer fatuity of entrusting what's left of them to such institutions who not only don't understand them but who for the most part couldn't care less about them beyond ensuring as much expensive confusion in respect of them as is (in)humanly possible. You and I and many others pay the handsome price of that confusion in practice and we look set to continue to do so in ever-increasing amounts as each night follows each day."
and you "translated" this into
"You really do appear to love the shift button; that said, I don't know who you think might rescue (or try to) from risks in terms of intellectual property, but, since all that stuff is in the hands of our unreliable governments, all that you could hope for is that you try to recognize not only the rights of those who have them, but also the sheer stupidity of giving what's left of them to said governments (who not only don't understand them, but couldn't care less about them, save for ensuring as much expensive confusion as (in)humanly possible). You and I and many others pay the price of that confusion in practice and we'll probably continue to do so in larger sums as time passes."

There are but few differences between these texts and none that seek to convey any differences of meaning between them, so it is far from obvious why you bothered, really!

It might have been preferable and of greaser interest to some of those reading this thread had you commented on my pot rather than sought to "translate" it when that was hardly necessary or especially enlightening.

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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #62 on: July 18, 2015, 02:08:17 PM
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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #63 on: July 18, 2015, 03:52:32 PM
What you and others of like mind seem wilfully to forget, however, is that the copyright material to which you want free unfettered access in public libraries never gets there for free. Composers, publishers, distributors and the rest all have their costs and, in addition, royalty income is usually generated when it's performed, broadcast or recorded;

I've always wondered about this. So if Yuja Wang were to buy a copy of Kapustin's sonatas, performed it in Carnegie, and recorded it later that year, Kapustin would receive money from all three situations? I always thought that composers got money from sheet music sales only.

Do performers of living composers write some contract with the composer, or is it the venue that pays them?! Explain pls

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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #64 on: July 18, 2015, 03:57:54 PM
Gawd
"greaser" should of course have read "greater"...

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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #65 on: July 18, 2015, 04:03:18 PM
I've always wondered about this. So if Yuja Wang were to buy a copy of Kapustin's sonatas, performed it in Carnegie, and recorded it later that year, Kapustin would receive money from all three situations? I always thought that composers got money from sheet music sales only.

Do performers of living composers write some contract with the composer, or is it the venue that pays them?! Explain pls
The recipient of payment for the score/s is the seller; if that was the composer in this case and if he's self-published, then yes, that would be Kapustin himself, but if it was a publisher or a retailer acting on behalf of one, the publisher would usually share with the composer the funds that it received in respect of those sales in accordance with the terms of its publishing agreement with the composer.

He would receive royalties from most public performances, subject to the licensing arrangments of the venue in which they were given and provided that they were given before paying audiences.

He would also receive royalties in respect of most broadcasts and recordings of his work.

I hope that this explains matters.

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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #66 on: July 18, 2015, 04:30:08 PM


had you commented on my pot
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do you have some pot?  8)

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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #67 on: July 18, 2015, 04:33:02 PM
Judging by some of his posts, i assume he has smoked all he had.

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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #68 on: July 18, 2015, 04:45:24 PM

i assume he has smoked all he had.

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no way  ;)

-guys like ahinton always  plan ahead... they never run out of anything.  8)

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Reply #69 on: July 18, 2015, 04:47:04 PM
True. He has never ran out of wind.

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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #70 on: July 18, 2015, 05:10:46 PM
do you have some pot?  8)
No (apart from those in which I try to grow things) but I do have typos, of which the "greaser" one's not alone; sadly, it's no longer possible to go back and edit posts here.

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Reply #71 on: July 18, 2015, 05:12:13 PM
Judging by some of his posts, i assume he has smoked all he had.
Your asssumption is unfounded, since I my smoking activities are on a par with my beer consuming ones - i.e. non-existent.

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Reply #72 on: July 18, 2015, 05:13:19 PM
no way  ;)

-guys like ahinton always  plan ahead... they never run out of anything.
I'l like to think so but in any case one cannot "run out" of things that one has never ordered in the first place.

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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #73 on: July 18, 2015, 05:14:49 PM
True. He has never ran out of wind.
I think you mean run rather than ran; anyway, yes, there is an irritating microclimate here in which wind frequently funnels its wy up the side of the Black Mountains with the result that it can often be quite gusty in this vicinity when the wind is far more moderate quite close by.

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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #74 on: July 18, 2015, 07:02:57 PM
I'l like to think so but in any case one cannot "run out" of things that one has never ordered in the first place.
 
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it's getting to be all legal over here dude--heck our president even said he inhaled... no big deal...   you can fess up--you're among friends...come on tell the truth--you like to smoke a fattie now and then...and listen to Bach whilst you curate -- or whatever you do   

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Re: Ethics of Online PDFs n' stuff
Reply #75 on: July 19, 2015, 07:29:36 AM
it's getting to be all legal over here dude--heck our president even said he inhaled... no big deal...   you can fess up--you're among friends...come on tell the truth--you like to smoke a fattie now and then...and listen to Bach whilst you curate -- or whatever you do   

"pass the dutchie on the left hand side" 8)
Er - no. I don't much care about the legality or otherwise, but likewise I don't care to smoke, be it pot, tobacco or anything else; even over here, not smoking is a choice rather than a criminal offence. I don't drink any kinds of beer either but, again, only because I dislike them. I have no problem with either practice or with those who wish to partake of them but just don't enjoy indulging in them myself. Simples.

And I'm not surprised that the president "inhales"; after all, he'd drop dead if he didn't...

Anyway, what any of that's got to do with the topic I have no idea!

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