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Offline schumaniac

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polyrhythm
on: August 08, 2015, 05:31:05 AM
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Re: Beethoven Concerto no. 4 1st movement- polyrhythm help?
Reply #1 on: August 11, 2015, 04:12:27 AM
bump! is this too hard to answer? for the moment, I've just been approximating the polyrhythm, but there must be a way to do it with more "musical integrity..."

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Re: Beethoven Concerto no. 4 1st movement- polyrhythm help?
Reply #2 on: August 11, 2015, 10:40:27 AM
These are more like rubber bands than steel wires

It would be i distinguishable in context if this were done "strict"  vs something that flows and breathes a bit

The fisrt thing is to get each hand solid and indeoendent then just add them together

Trying to make them "fit"  is limiting your progress as it is best to approach this in horizonal li esr fashiom ala fugue vs vertical alignment ala hymnal chords

Honestly if it were me i would sweat bigger stuff and just play it as a quintuplet and sextet ie 5+6. Vs 3+3
Simple "UNIVERSITY 1 ta la ta li ta" AGAINST 1 LOLY 2 LOLY
thats how i would start it.
As you speed it up they will blend more a lnd more w each other and its usually pretty simple to do 5 against 3 followed by 6 against 3
when i  doubt i chunk things into more manageable segements then piece it together
like they say , you eat an elephant one bite at a time :-)

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Re: Beethoven Concerto no. 4 1st movement- polyrhythm help?
Reply #3 on: August 17, 2015, 10:05:02 AM
If you practice this phrase , leave out the part of the left hand only in this bar.

Then leave out the part in the right hand of this bar.

Then try to blend these bars together.  I hope you get what I mean.


If you play something as big as this. Always count while practicing !!!!

 Take a deep breath before you start to play count the beat in your mind and start play. If you have a good sense of rhythm, this may not be necessary with easy pieces. But you will always stumble across pieces, that are too difficault to rely on your sense of rhythm.

Take the 2nd movement of Chopins 2nd Concerto for example. There you will see runs with 49 notes on two beats. You dont want to find a common denominator for 49 and 6 ;).

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