Trill problem.

[Ludvig_Van_Me]

With trills, which other note do you trill with? the higher or lower?


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do I trill with the E or the G?


Thx

[Floristan]

The G.

[Ludvig_Van_Me]

thanks

[Ludvig_Van_Me]

Eeee, it's quite hard as they are quite spaced out so it's hard to trill with the fingers spaced out.

i'm used to trilling with notes right next to each other.

[jlh]

Start on the G# and play the ornament in 16th notes.  It should be:

G# - F# - G# - F# -G# - F# - E - F# - G# 

[Ludvig_Van_Me]

Thx Jlh

[Floristan]

As jlh said, G#!  Duh! 

[xvimbi]

do I trill with the E or the G?

Just to mess things up a little bit: the answer really depends. You will need to tell us who the composer of the piece is. Bach and Clementi started their trills on the upper note, others (Schumann for example), started their trills on the principal note. With respect to Chopin, there seems to be a bit of a confusion.

Therefore, the question is not really E vs. G, but F vs. G.

Also, it often depends on the preceding note. If you start the trill on G#, you repeat the preceding note. Is that what you want? In your example, the trill looks like a passing (transient) trill, in which case you should start on the principal note.

The next question you need to answer is how long the trill needs to be.

Sorry, I hope you haven't ingrained the wrong trill yet 

[Ludvig_Van_Me]

Well I used to (and it sounded alright ) trill with the E and the #F, butF# and G# are definately the ones.  after listening to different pianists play it they start on the F# and slowly go from G# and back again Drowserly up to a full speed trill, truly intoxicating.

I might incorporate it into my style.

[xvimbi]

Well I used to (and it sounded alright ) trill with the E and the #F, butF# and G# are definately the ones.  after listening to different pianists play it they start on the F# and slowly go from G# and back again Drowserly up to a full speed trill, truly intoxicating.

I might incorporate it into my style.

Good you cleared that one up. However, you shouldn't incorporate just anything into your style. The way the trill should be played is dictaded by the composer and the era. You still haven't said what the piece is and who the composer was 

[Ludvig_Van_Me]

It's chopin's nocturne #20,

[Jeremy C.]

oh, i thought it looked a little like fantasy impromptu