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Topic: The Chinese Czerny Scam  (Read 1597 times)

Offline kypiano

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The Chinese Czerny Scam
on: September 19, 2015, 12:34:33 AM
https://imslp.org/wiki/Fantaisie_brillante_sur_des_airs_chinois,_Op.724_(Czerny,_Carl)


OK, so, does anyone know what this means? I'm terrible at Chinese, but I know that those Chinese words are NOT Romanized in the Wade-Giles OR Pinyin system. And, I think that most of the tunes in the Fantasia are FAKES. However, one seems pretty authentic. It is labeled "Toung Men Tchi Tchi Kho I Cou Mo". Any people know where Czerny got this? Anyone know of this folksong? Any other info?

Thanks,
Ky

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Re: The Chinese Czerny Scam
Reply #1 on: September 19, 2015, 12:49:58 AM
BTW the names of the other tunes in the Fantasia are:

Lon Li Hoang Y Te Ku Shi

Yn Khi Loui Tsai Nan Chan Tchi Yang

Toung Men Tchi Tchi Kho I Cou Mo


(1) I believe "Ku Shi" Might mean "Gu Shi", which means "story" in Mandarin Chinese.
(2) I believe "Nan Chan" might refer to the Nan Chan Temple (南禅).
(3) I don't know what "Toung" refers to, but I believe the rest might be "们 吃 吃 可 依 Cou? Ma?"

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Re: The Chinese Czerny Scam
Reply #2 on: September 12, 2023, 02:09:12 AM
Hi everyone, I am a native speaker of Mandarin and some of its dialects.I read this thread in 2019 when I was watching a video of Czerny's work. At that time, I had the same question as yours. Later I found two of these are from 《詩經》(The Classic of Poetry / The Book of Odes). I think it is an important discovery that worth replying which can make people have a better understanding of these spellings, although I got warned of not to reply an outdated topic.

Yn Khi Loui Tsai Nan Chan Tchi Yang
殷其雷,在南山之阳。Found in《詩經國風‧召南‧殷其靁》
(Yīn q li, zi nn shān zhī yng)
Grandly rolls the thunder, on the south of the southern hill !

Toung Men Tchi Tchi Kho I Cou Mo
东门之池,可以沤麻。Found in《詩經國風‧陳‧東門之池》
(Dōng mn zhī ch, kě yǐ u m)
The moat at the east gate, Is fit to steep hemp in.
 

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