The Chinese Czerny Scam

[kypiano]

https://imslp.org/wiki/Fantaisie_brillante_sur_des_airs_chinois,_Op.724_(Czerny,_Carl)


OK, so, does anyone know what this means? I'm terrible at Chinese, but I know that those Chinese words are NOT Romanized in the Wade-Giles OR Pinyin system. And, I think that most of the tunes in the Fantasia are FAKES. However, one seems pretty authentic. It is labeled "Toung Men Tchi Tchi Kho I Cou Mo". Any people know where Czerny got this? Anyone know of this folksong? Any other info?

Thanks,
Ky

[kypiano]

BTW the names of the other tunes in the Fantasia are:

Lon Li Hoang Y Te Ku Shi

Yn Khi Loui Tsai Nan Chan Tchi Yang

Toung Men Tchi Tchi Kho I Cou Mo


(1) I believe "Ku Shi" Might mean "Gu Shi", which means "story" in Mandarin Chinese.
(2) I believe "Nan Chan" might refer to the Nan Chan Temple (南禅).
(3) I don't know what "Toung" refers to, but I believe the rest might be "们 吃 吃 可 依 Cou? Ma?"

[david copperfield]

Hi everyone, I am a native speaker of Mandarin and some of its dialects.I read this thread in 2019 when I was watching a video of Czerny's work. At that time, I had the same question as yours. Later I found two of these are from 《詩經》(The Classic of Poetry / The Book of Odes). I think it is an important discovery that worth replying which can make people have a better understanding of these spellings, although I got warned of not to reply an outdated topic.

Yn Khi Loui Tsai Nan Chan Tchi Yang
殷其雷，在南山之阳。Found in《詩經·國風‧召南‧殷其靁》
(Yīn qí léi, zài nán shān zhī yáng)
Grandly rolls the thunder, on the south of the southern hill !

Toung Men Tchi Tchi Kho I Cou Mo
东门之池，可以沤麻。Found in《詩經·國風‧陳‧東門之池》
(Dōng mén zhī chí, kě yǐ òu má)
The moat at the east gate, Is fit to steep hemp in.