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Which to buy: American-made Baldwin vs Petrof vs Estonia vs Kawai (GS/RX) (Read 2021 times)

Offline onesurfer1

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Hello,

I'm in the market for a used grand piano (5'8" up to 6'3" or so) in the price range of $8,000-$12,000 USD.

I've seen ads for:
 Baldwins model L from 1979-1994 in this price range.
 Petrof IV 5'8" 1994-2001 from $6,500-$11,000
 Estonia-
 

Which do you think is a better piano???  Are all of these really handmade?

I enjoy the sound of all these pianos.  However, I appreciate craftsmanship and quality as well as tone of a piano.  Are they all the same quality, or is one better than the other?

Is there another brand of Piano that i should be looking at?

I prefer a powerful and warm bass, warm tenor, and warm yet sparkly treble.

I plan to make my purchase in November.

Please advise ;o)  !!!
All opinions/advice are truly appreciated.


Offline indianajo

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Re: Which to buy: American-made Baldwin vs Petrof vs Estonia vs Kawai (GS/RX)
«Reply #1 on: September 26, 2015, 11:12:42 AM »
Baldwin, like most piano factories, used machinery and jigs to make the parts.
The hand work involved selecting which parts to install and which to discard. And there was obviously handwork involved in voicing the felt parts to be consistent and pleasing. I've been pleased with all 6 of the Baldwin pianos I've played.   
I was excited to see a Chickering small grand piano in a city near me for $900 cash & carry.  If I had room in my music room, I would have been down in that individual's garage  already to inspect it.  This is one of the more reputable brands of yesteryear.  Others are Knabe and Mason & Hamlin. 

Offline outin

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Re: Which to buy: American-made Baldwin vs Petrof vs Estonia vs Kawai (GS/RX)
«Reply #2 on: September 26, 2015, 01:39:58 PM »
I have visited on the Estonia factory, had a tour and tried out their grands and they were wonderful. There seemed to be a lot of craftmanship in the making of these pianos. Of course we are talking about the models made after 2001.

Offline hfmadopter

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Re: Which to buy: American-made Baldwin vs Petrof vs Estonia vs Kawai (GS/RX)
«Reply #3 on: September 26, 2015, 06:59:58 PM »
Estonia is probably one case where the newer models are better than the old ones. The originals were so so then improved and are well regarded today. I can't tell you off hand where that year break occurs.

Baldwin is probably the other way around, older being better regarded, again not sure of the year break. I can say that most Baldwins I've played on would  meet your requirements .

And indeed Chickering's can be good pianos as well as a decent bargain these days.

The Petrof should be solid. Everything is predicated on condition though !
Depressing the pedal on an out of tune acoustic piano and playing does not result in tonal color control or add interest, it's called obnoxious.