These Bb ties are different

[arren31]

In measure 13 there is this Bb quarter note that ties to a Bb eighth note in measure 14, and that tie's line curves upward. Then in measure 15 there is another Bb quarter note that ties to a Bb eighth note in measure 16, but this time the tie's line curves downward! Do those notes mean the same thing when it is played? or is there a reason why the tie's line from measures 13-14 curve upward, and the tie's line in measures 15-16 curve downward?

[adodd81802]

Tried downloading, it says 0KB. Looks like the file is damaged. Post a screenshot of the bar(s) you're referring to.

[dcstudio]

based on what you've said... it means exactly the same thing.   It is probably different in that measure in order to free up space for another musical element to be notated that's all.

that's going by what you've said...  I can't see the file either

[arren31]

I reposted the file again I hope it works now. If it doesn't then perhaps can you search up the sheet music instead? ✋🏻😁 the song is called Pathetique 3rd movement by Beethoven. If you google "beethoven pathetique 3rd movement piano sheet" and click the very first link (the link that leads to a website called mutopiaproject, that's where I got the sheet music from) it should lead you to the sheet music 🎹🎼

[dcstudio]

oh the third mvmt-- ok... I assumed it was the first .  I still can't open your file but I am very familiar with this one..   same tie... I don't know why it's flipped in your edition but it's not in mine... in any event a tie is a tie... up or down.

[keypeg]

If you google "beethoven pathetique 3rd movement piano sheet" and click the very first link (the link that leads to a website called mutopiaproject, that's where I got the sheet music from) it should lead you to the sheet music

Ok, here it is.
https://www.mutopiaproject.org/ftp/BeethovenLv/O13/pathetique-3/pathetique-3-a4.pdf

[keypeg]

Ok - Now I can see what you are talking about.

In m. 12-13, (not 13 - 14)  the Bb quarter note is tied to the first eighth note because it is being held for 1 1/2 beats = the same as 3 eighth notes tied together.  If this were in the middle of the measure you would have a dotted quarter note.  However, because it continues into another measure, it has to be done through a tie.  (I can use the word "beat" here because here the quarter note is actually a beat because it's in 4/4 time - re: the other conversation).

The same symbol is also a phrase mark or a slur.  When different notes are covered by this mark, then it means all of it is one phrase, that you might sing in a single breath.  It forms a musical unit.  Play it and see if you can feel that unit.  When the phrase mark goes upward, downward, or horizontally it simply is following the direction of the note heads, so that the ends of the symbol can be close to them.  It makes reading easier.