Chopin Nocturne Op. 27 No.2 help

[mjames]

Yo sup peeps gotta a question for my homies:

How the hell do I play this particular part? I got no problems with poly-rhythms(well the ones that are found in this work) but this particular part is like whaaaaat

It's the aflat and a natural thats bugging me. Just how the hell am i supposed to play this part? It's the only one part out of the whole pieces that's bugging me. Am i really supposed to play anatural bflat and dflat together?

[visitor]

what edition are you playing? if it's correct, do other editions offer any insight?
i would play as written , the a natural is an altered scale tone acting as a leading tone and a passing to pull to the b flat.  it's transient and the clash i think makes sense, there's a tension and resolution.

Again i would look at several good alternative editions to see if the way it's laid out is different and if there are other remarks. 

What does Josefy say about this, is there a Schirmer yellow jacket you can pull to look? Also maybe a PWM and Paderewski, perhaps an Henle as well.

[adodd81802]

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[mjames]

What does Josefy say about this, is there a Schirmer yellow jacket you can pull to look? Also maybe a PWM and Paderewski, perhaps an Henle as well.

I'm using the Josefy edition. I checked out on some other editions and they say nothing about this particular part. I'll check Henle and Paderewski right now.

So it's Ab, A neutral then D and Bb with the A neutral tying up with the left hand Ab if i remember correctly?

Havne't played it in a while.

2 things I always do when learning a piece. 1 is find multiple score versions of it to see if I can spot any differences.

Yeah I know it's a triplet, this piece is filled with 3 against 2s i have no problems in that area. It's just this particular part thats screwing me over. It's a triplet, but the way its written (not clearly for me) indicates that theres 4 in the group thats supposed to be 3. my problem is that I just dont know where the aflat or a natural fit in.

Is it supposed to be:

dflat&bflat, aflat, and then dflat a natural and bflat

or dflat&bflat, aflat&anatural, and then dflat&bflat...


I'm thinking to go with the second option but the aflat and a natural sounds "weird" together. I just wanna make sure I'm making the correct decision here.

[adodd81802]

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[visitor]

I'm using the Josefy edition. I checked out on some other editions and they say nothing about this particular part. I'll check Henle and Paderewski right now.


Yeah I know it's a triplet, this piece is filled with 3 against 2s i have no problems in that area. It's just this particular part thats screwing me over. It's a triplet, but the way its written (not clearly for me) indicates that theres 4 in the group thats supposed to be 3. my problem is that I just dont know where the aflat or a natural fit in.

Is it supposed to be:

dflat&bflat, aflat, and then dflat a natural and bflat

or dflat&bflat, aflat&anatural, and then dflat&bflat...


I'm thinking to go with the second option but the aflat and a natural sounds "weird" together. I just wanna make sure I'm making the correct decision here.

the way it's laid it , it looks like they want triplets, i don't know, i would want to confirm this against one of the authoritative urtexts. i would want to play it as a 4 vs 3 in the LH but would def need to consult to make a call

[adodd81802]

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[michael_c]

Is it supposed to be:

dflat&bflat, aflat, and then dflat a natural and bflat

or dflat&bflat, aflat&anatural, and then dflat&bflat...

Neither nor. It's supposed to be d natural & b flat, a flat & a natural, d natural & b flat

It's a simple triplet, not a polyrhythm. The a flat and a natural cannot be written directly one over the other for typographical reasons. Some editions (for instance Henle Urtext) place a small square bracket around them to indicate that they are simultaneous.

[adodd81802]

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