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rovis77

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How many grades above from Chopin etudes is Beethoven 5th concerto?

on: January 08, 2016, 10:56:42 PM

I can play these Chopin etudes: op 10 1, op 25 1, op 25 2, op 10 12 and op 25 12. How many grades above from Chopin etudes is Beethoven 5th concerto or the Grieg Concerto in A minor?. Can I attempt to learn them?

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Re: How many grades above from Chopin etudes is Beethoven 5th concerto?

Reply #1 on: January 09, 2016, 02:58:22 PM

I've played all of Chopin etudes, but since I don't really enjoy playing them, I have to polish a lot of them up again. I can tell you this: it depends very much on which etude you're talking about. If you take, for example, the easier etudes (Op. 10: 3, 6; Op. 25: 1, 2), I would say the Emperor Concerto or Grieg's A minor Concerto might be a little bit too hard.

But assuming you've perfected those harder etudes too (Op. 10: 1, 12; Op. 25: 12) I'd say you're up for the task. But always keep in mind that different style periods in classical music, will present different sorts of problems. In Beethoven, you will find more complexity instead of sheer technical difficulties. I think Beethoven's Emperor should be avoided right now, except, of course, if you can already play some more advanced sonatas. I'd recommend Beethoven's Sonata No. 26 in E-flat major to take a look into, it was written a little time after the 5th Concerto but will give you a general idea about the difficulties the key of E-flat major alone will present (because it is a tricky key to play in).

I myself have played the concerto once last year and think that the last movement is actually easier than the first movement. It might take a while though to gain fluency in the "bouncing" left hand in the last movement.

I wish you good luck.

BW,
Marijn

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chopinlover01

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Re: How many grades above from Chopin etudes is Beethoven 5th concerto?

Reply #2 on: January 10, 2016, 11:19:32 PM

The Chopin etudes are almost completely differently difficult in their technical and stylistic demands. They give you good foundation to learn passages of all styles, however, so not without benefit by any stretch of the imagination.
Assuming this is a real post (seems fishy) you should play through the concerto itself and see how you feel about it. What other Beethoven have you played? If you don't know his style, this would be a nightmare going into it. If you're not familiar with it, start with the 32 C minor variations. It's basically the closest we've got to Beethoven etudes.

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Reply #3 on: January 19, 2016, 02:15:06 PM

Czerny's Etudes are modeled having in mind Beethoven's Sonatas difficulties (but we dont' know the exact pairing). Harder Studies from op. 740, 299 and 821 could suffice as a preparation for both Beethoven's works and Chopin's Etudes.
Clementi's Gradus ad Parnassum contains -perhaps- the most varied and taxing collection of etudes of the classical era. Beethoven admired and was inspired by Clementi's writing style, so they should serve well the purpose. Have a look at the 23 Etudes used in italian exams ( https://www.allmusic.com/album/clementi-23-studi-obbligatori-dal-gradus-ad-parnassum-mw0001803710 ) and others such as 7, 41, 80

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