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Offline bronnestam

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Beethoven the metal head
« on: February 13, 2016, 10:09:02 PM »
So, as it is not piano, I put this in the Anything But Piano section ...
Beethoven's music was timeless! Or at least way ahead of its time. I love Beethoven.



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Re: Beethoven the metal head
«Reply #1 on: March 22, 2016, 08:47:08 AM »


Ouch, my head!   

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Re: Beethoven the metal head
«Reply #2 on: April 05, 2016, 04:52:00 AM »
Wow!  Great guitarist!!  I did not follow with the music, but after 1 listening it seemed he had most of the right hand notes there except for the final Mannheim rocket run in the last couple measures he had to play triplets.  Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Beethoven the metal head
«Reply #3 on: April 10, 2016, 06:33:37 AM »
I'd be somewhat impressed if he played both parts without double-tracking.

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Re: Beethoven the metal head
«Reply #4 on: April 11, 2016, 01:12:52 AM »
I'd be somewhat impressed if he played both parts without double-tracking.

Many years ago, I played the classical guitar (from renaissance to Villa-Lobos, Ponce, etc). I have not touched a guitar for about 30 years.  I do not know anything about electric guitar except for what my 24 year old son told me a few years ago.  He played a recording of a version of Van Halen’s Eruption.  When my son played the version he had of this (I guess Van Halen has several versions made), I told him the beginning sounded like the beginning of Beethoven’s 5th piano concerto:  A massive I, IV, V7 introduction with virtuoso figurations.  He told me that Van Halen used to play classical piano. I told him that I did not know how it would be possible to play parts of his Eruption.  My son explained 2 hand tapping to me. (A technique that Van Halen invented?)  I don’t know who this guy is playing Beethoven moonlight 3rd movement but he appears to be a master.   Just my opinion though.

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Re: Beethoven the metal head
«Reply #5 on: April 11, 2016, 02:19:59 AM »
I'd be somewhat impressed if he played both parts without double-tracking.

Or you might just be kidding.  Sorry about that!  Also, I’m not really a fan of electric guitar sound.  I was just commenting on his technique and musicianship (if there is such a word, I think there is).  Thanks!

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Re: Beethoven the metal head
«Reply #6 on: April 11, 2016, 03:06:53 AM »
Many years ago, I played the classical guitar (from renaissance to Villa-Lobos, Ponce, etc). I have not touched a guitar for about 30 years.  I do not know anything about electric guitar except for what my 24 year old son told me a few years ago.  He played a recording of a version of Van Halen’s Eruption.  When my son played the version he had of this (I guess Van Halen has several versions made), I told him the beginning sounded like the beginning of Beethoven’s 5th piano concerto:  A massive I, IV, V7 introduction with virtuoso figurations.  He told me that Van Halen used to play classical piano. I told him that I did not know how it would be possible to play parts of his Eruption.  My son explained 2 hand tapping to me. (A technique that Van Halen invented?)  I don’t know who this guy is playing Beethoven moonlight 3rd movement but he appears to be a master.   Just my opinion though.

I just listened to what I think is the version of van Halen Eruption that I heard a few years ago.  Does not sound as much like Beethoven concerto #5 as I thought.  Sorry!    :( ;)

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Re: Beethoven the metal head
«Reply #7 on: April 11, 2016, 06:01:16 AM »
Kinda fun.. It took some work, of course… Master? …hummm
Being that it was at One volume the whole way, pedal to the metal, (and one that is mostly indicated in the score,oppositely), and that it was played to click, most of the drama is lost, …and finally, grows tired..
It is quite a fun brilliant display for about the 1st minute, then it just dies...It would have much worked better had it been severely  truncated…
No, This is not proof that Beethoven's music is timeless, but does assert only that it is powerful enough to survive a raving reduction such as this…  :o
Cheers!
ps…in keeping with the theme, i offer this cheesy bon bon.

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Re: Beethoven the metal head
«Reply #8 on: April 11, 2016, 06:14:55 AM »
Let's turn it the other way.
Here is a classical string quartet (Kronos) doing a rock classic  (Purple  Haze)


(here something is lost as well… )
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Re: Beethoven the metal head
«Reply #9 on: April 11, 2016, 02:42:05 PM »
>swede
>posts metal video

typical.

No, This is not proof that Beethoven's music is timeless, but does assert only that it is powerful enough to survive a raving reduction such as this…  :o



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Re: Beethoven the metal head
«Reply #10 on: April 11, 2016, 03:20:05 PM »
This is rad

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Re: Beethoven the metal head
«Reply #11 on: April 11, 2016, 05:33:54 PM »
Kinda fun.. It took some work, of course… Master? …hummm
Being that it was at One volume the whole way, pedal to the metal, (and one that is mostly indicated in the score,oppositely), and that it was played to click, most of the drama is lost, …and finally, grows tired..


Master of "two hand tapping" I would say.  "One volume, pedal to the metal ... grows tired".  I agree, but this is the way he likes it probably.  I prefer Scarlatti on the harpsichord instead of piano.  Ever listen to Scott Ross play Kk 1 through Kk 555?  This will also grow tired to some.

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Re: Beethoven the metal head
«Reply #12 on: April 11, 2016, 05:52:29 PM »
Let's turn it the other way.
Here is a classical string quartet (Kronos) doing a rock classic  (Purple  Haze)


(here something is lost as well… )

Great point!  I forgot to mention that Hendrix is my son's favorite.  I don't have the heart to tell him that Hendrix music is not music to my ears.  My son might feel the same about the Kronos version offered here as others here feel about the metal guitarist version (whoever he is) of Beethoven moonlight 3rd mvt.   I keep telling my son that music preference is personal to the listener and there is no right or wrong answer to which is better.  You can probably imagine the discussions that follow.

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Re: Beethoven the metal head
«Reply #13 on: April 14, 2016, 04:39:10 AM »
Or you might just be kidding.  Sorry about that!  Also, I’m not really a fan of electric guitar sound.  I was just commenting on his technique and musicianship (if there is such a word, I think there is).  Thanks!

No, not really! It doesn't take an enormous amount of talent to play either the right hand parts or the left hand parts separately on an electric guitar. (Sure, it would take a few years of practice, but there are plenty of players who could do it.) So, resorting to double-tracking is not that impressive to me. Yes, he's a clean player, but they are a dime a dozen these days.

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Re: Beethoven the metal head
«Reply #14 on: April 14, 2016, 04:42:22 AM »
Let's turn it the other way.
Here is a classical string quartet (Kronos) doing a rock classic  (Purple  Haze)


(here something is lost as well… )

Indeed. The funereal tempo doesn't help. I think some things should be left in the original form. Beethoven's Moonlight Sonata works great on the piano, and "Purple Haze" works great as a power trio. Leave them alone!

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Re: Beethoven the metal head
«Reply #15 on: April 14, 2016, 04:46:50 AM »
No, not really! It doesn't take an enormous amount of talent to play either the right hand parts or the left hand parts separately on an electric guitar. (Sure, it would take a few years of practice, but there are plenty of players who could do it.) So, resorting to double-tracking is not that impressive to me. Yes, he's a clean player, but they are a dime a dozen these days.

Very well.  Thank you.

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Re: Beethoven the metal head
«Reply #16 on: April 14, 2016, 09:30:56 AM »
No, not really! It doesn't take an enormous amount of talent to play either the right hand parts or the left hand parts separately on an electric guitar. (Sure, it would take a few years of practice, but there are plenty of players who could do it.) So, resorting to double-tracking is not that impressive to me. Yes, he's a clean player, but they are a dime a dozen these days.

After thinking about this a little more, I think I may agree with you!  I’m guessing there are hundreds of electric guitar players that could play Beethoven Moonlight 3rd movement in 2 separate tracks as well as or better than this guy (still don’t know who he is).   Possibly a really talented guitarist could play both parts at the same time.  Thanks.

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Re: Beethoven the metal head
«Reply #17 on: April 14, 2016, 10:13:17 AM »
After thinking about this a little more, I think I may agree with you!  I’m guessing there are hundreds of electric guitar players that could play Beethoven Moonlight 3rd movement in 2 separate tracks as well as or better than this guy (still don’t know who he is).   Possibly a really talented guitarist could play both parts at the same time.  Thanks.

Play both parts at the same time without resorting to double-tracking that is.  Thanks.

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Re: Beethoven the metal head
«Reply #18 on: April 16, 2016, 09:06:07 PM »
After thinking about this a little more, I think I may agree with you!  I’m guessing there are hundreds of electric guitar players that could play Beethoven Moonlight 3rd movement in 2 separate tracks as well as or better than this guy (still don’t know who he is).   Possibly a really talented guitarist could play both parts at the same time.  Thanks.

No, it would be impossible to play both parts simultaneously and even remotely observe the note values. It would seriously compromise the music and sound terrible, too! Even the first movement doesn't work that well--same problem with observing note values and chord voicings. (I used to play classical guitar.)

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Re: Beethoven the metal head
«Reply #19 on: April 16, 2016, 10:13:20 PM »
No, it would be impossible to play both parts simultaneously and even remotely observe the note values. It would seriously compromise the music and sound terrible, too! Even the first movement doesn't work that well--same problem with observing note values and chord voicings. (I used to play classical guitar.)

But you said earlier:  “I'd be somewhat impressed if he played both parts without double-tracking.”  When I suggested you might be kidding, you replied; “No, Not really!”  And now you admit that it would be impossible to play both parts without double-tracking.  Are you a few semitones short of a major 10th? (Just kidding!)  

Anyway, I said that I would not post again until this summer and here I am posting again.  THIS will be my last post until summer, I tell you! (And so I am now defenseless.)   I’m glad you played the classical guitar. It is a beautiful instrument!  Best wishes.

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Re: Beethoven the metal head
«Reply #20 on: April 17, 2016, 07:22:32 AM »
But you said earlier:  “I'd be somewhat impressed if he played both parts without double-tracking.”  When I suggested you might be kidding, you replied; “No, Not really!”  And now you admit that it would be impossible to play both parts without double-tracking.  Are you a few semitones short of a major 10th? (Just kidding!)  

Anyway, I said that I would not post again until this summer and here I am posting again.  THIS will be my last post until summer, I tell you! (And so I am now defenseless.)   I’m glad you played the classical guitar. It is a beautiful instrument!  Best wishes.


I meant "no I'm not kidding" that I'd be impressed if he could play without double-tracking since it would impossible!