Competition Question

[Skeptopotamus]

I'm having trouble deciding what pieces to play in a competition, and I was wondering if you would be able to help me make up my mind.  The actual competition isn't for a while, so I have time to study just about anything.  This competition is divided into multiple rounds, and every time I decide what I am going to play, I change my mind, so I need you to give me some direction.

The audition round is 20-25 minutes long, and requires the first or third movement of a Mozart, Haydn or Beethoven Sonata and either a "virtuoso etude" by Liszt or Chopin, and then fill the rest of the time with music from the recital round.  As of now I have this:

Beethoven Sonata No. 21 "Waldstein" Movement No. 1
Liszt Transcendental Etude No. 4 Mazeppa
Alkan Comme Le Vent

I'm not sure how much I like this, seeing as how Mazeppa and the Waldstein are probably going to be pretty common, as they have been in previous years of this competition.  As much as I like Mazeppa, I was wondering if you thought Chasse-Niege would be a better choice.  I would rather play one of Liszt's Transcendental Etudes, seeing as how I haven't studied his Paganini Etudes at all, besides La Campanella, and I didn't spend any time getting very good at the Chopin Etudes, seeing as how they aren't really my favorite pieces.  Also, I don't really want to play Mozart or Haydn, as that really isn't my strong point and I don't like classical piano music very much, which makes it harder to study them.


My Recital Round, assuming I get that far, is what I have the most problems making up my mind on.  This is it as of right now:

Liszt Un Sospiro
Rzewski North American Ballad No. 4 "Winnsboro Cotton Mill Blues"
Liszt Mephisto Waltz
Alkan Comme Le Vent
Bowen Toccata Op. 155
Prokofiev Toccata Op. 11
Babajanian Poem for Piano
Rachmaninov Etudes Tableaux Op. 39 Nos. 1, 6, 8, 9
Tchaikovsky-Pletnev Concert Suite from the Ballet "Nutcracker"

Mind you the Recital Round must be between 65 and 75 minutes.  Right now I only have two concerns: mainly my concern is that there are too many short pieces.  I don't know why, but I am under the impression that this is frowned upon.  My other concern is that the Mephisto Waltz should be taken out for something else.  It is one of my favorite pieces, but it hasn't done well in past competitions.  Right now I am mainly considering:

Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No. 12
Liszt Spanish Rhapsody
Liszt Jeux d'Eaux a la Villa d'Este
Liszt Reminiscences de Don Juan
Chopin Ballad No. 4
Corigliano Etude Fantasy
De Falla Fantasia Baetica
Ginastera Sonata No. 1
***I can't use Overture to Tannhauser as it was the signature piece for a previous winner and that would look weird.

The other round I haven't been able to make my mind up on is the Concerto Finals round.  I have almost no sheet music for any concertos and I haven't had much experience with them.  I want to play something that nobody else will be playing.  From just listening, I like:

Massenet Piano Concerto
Alkan Solo Concerto
Barber Piano Concerto

but I have no idea what I should play.  Someone suggested I play the Moszkowski Concerto though.  As long as nobody else will be playing it, I'll consider anything.

Thanks for any help you have, or any comments at all.


PS.  No Schubert please.  Also, I can email you the music files to any of the above-mentioned pieces, besides the concertos.

[Noah]

I agree with you about the Mephisto waltz, I don't think it's a very good competition piece... From your suggestions I would play the Corigliano etude fantasy or Ginastera's first sonata, both awesome pieces. For the concerto, I don't think Massenet is a very good idea, again from your suggestions I would play the Barber.
I like your programmes though, they're nice and original.
btw, can you send me the corigliano? would be much appreciated (can trade if you want). my address is noekains[at]gmail.com
cheers!

Noah

[shasta]

Skepto,
Good for you with your program!  You are obviously a very talented musician!

I agree with you and Noah on the Mephisto, since it hasn't done well for you and you already have a Liszt (Un Sospiro) in there.  I would replace Mephisto with either the De Falla or the Ginastera to spice things up.

I also like playing concertos that are somewhat unfamiliar.  If you're still looking for ideas, do a Piano Forum search on "underrated" or "underappreciated" concertos and several topics should come up. 

Whichever underplayed concerto you pick, though, keep in mind that you will also need a talented pianist on the orchestral part for you...  they will need more time to learn an unfamiliar concerto if they are used to accompaning for the Grieg, Rach2, Mozart 21, Tchaik...

Good luck!

[Motrax]

For the concerto, I would suggest Medtner's first or third concerto (I don't like the second very much, but maybe you would). You can find recordings of these in the Romantic Piano Concerto series. My favorite "unknown" concerto right now is the one by Amy Beach - it doesn't reach the heights of Brahms or Rachmaninoff, but it's a beautiful piece nonetheless. The Medtner concertos are very difficult and rather long. Many double-note passages and large chord skips and such. I'm guessing the Beach concerto is also difficult, but I haven't seen the score so I can't say for sure.

Good luck!

[anda]

normally, you should play whtever you feel best playing. however, since it's a competition and (if i understand correctly) you are allowed to play anything you want, they are probably expecting a diversified programme. for the recital round, are you supposed to play only romantic and post-romantic works? if not, then perhaps you should include a preclassic work (since you can't play one in the first stage). also, i assume you are a very good technician, since most of the works are mainly technically challenging. if you can play all these, it's great, but perhaps it would help you if you included a more complex work. i can only tell you what i would tell any of my students in a similar situation: for a 65-75 min recital as competition stage (and considering you played the classic sonata in the 1st stage): include a preclassic work (preferably not a p&f, rather a longer work - handel, rameau, couperin, maybe scarlatti sonatas - but carefully chosen),  a romantic major complex work (schumann - symphonic etudes/1st or 2nd sonata/abegg variations, or brahms - paganini/schumann/haendel variations/klavierstucke op.118/op.76/one of the sonatas, or schubert - one of the sonatas), a romantic technique oriented work (chopin, liszt - i think you know better what), post-romantic works as time permits, at least two, and very different as content (i.e. debussy/ravel+prokofiev/strawinsky, or something).

all the above, imho.

best luck with your competition

p.s. can you send me ginastera pls? i'll trade you for romanian scores (if you need). thanks - my address is anda@pianomail.net

[Goldberg]

I must say, I like your style! Excellent taste in music, and this is the sort of thing we need to see more often at competitions (and recitals/concerts in general). Bravo!

I agree that the Mephisto should be done away with before it's too late. Change it for the Corigliano Etude Fantasy, which seems to be on the rise in popularity lately--and rightly so, for it's obviously a wonderful piece of music. I think judges will take kindly to it, but I doubt it'll be one of the more commonplace pieces at the competition. As much as I love Liszt, and those pieces of his you listed, I just don't think his works would fall in line with the rest of your program. My next choice besides Corigliano would be the 4th Chopin Ballade, but you risk the overplayed problem there (although, it seems like as more people steer clear of that issue, they leave typically overplayed pieces absent, and a well-played 4th Ballade might just be what it takes to get you top honours at the judging booth. It'd be a gamble, though, I think). And, of course, the De Falla is superb.

For concerti, I wouldn't recommend the Alkan, although that would be super cool to play at a competition, just to see what happens...from the three you listed, the Barber's your best bet. If I may, I'd also recommend one of the Bartok concerti, the Ligeti or Schonberg concerti, or Sauer's E minor concerto.

Best of luck to ya!

[Skeptopotamus]

Thanks alot for all of your helpful input.  There is alot to respond to here, so if I miss something, I'll come back to it later.

So, the consensus is that the Mephisto Waltz is too common or not at a high enough level, which I was thinking.  I'm really not too keen on the Corigliano Etude Fantasy for a couple of reasons.  One is that it is an extrememly tricky piece to play very well at all, and even, as far as I know, Jalbert's recording is supposed to be the quintessential for this piece and I have problems with his interpretation.  Also, it is risky in the fact that it is very likely that the judges will not take to it kindly.  I already have that risk with running the Rzewski piece.  This is also a problem with the Ginastera Sonata, which is extremely atonal, and while judges should be used to that, this piece honestly sounds quite ugly the first time you hear it, which can be a problem.  As much as I love it, I'm hesitant.  The Chopin Ballad, as one of you said, is very common, and that doesn't go with what I'm trying to do.  The De Falla is looking the best as of right now, but if you can think of any other pieces in this time range, I will be glad to hear them.

Those three concertos aren't in any way something I'm stuck with.  I'm going down to the music library in a couple of days and am going to check out all of their post-romantic piano concertos.  But you really don't like the Massenet?  I thought it was a very good piece.  And this competition doesn't use a second pianist for the concertos; they use a real orchestra, as I understand it.  I've only listened to the two Medtner Concertos you recommended, and while each of them are very beautiful and showy and probably good competition pieces, they really just didn't do anything for me.

Anda, that recital round may be good for you or your students, but classical and pre-classical period music is definitely not my speciality.  Also, in this competition there is a Schubert Sonata round, so Schubert is probably not a good idea, and if I were going to include a piece by Schumann it would be the Carnaval suite, and there isn't any room for that, and I hate Brahms with a passion.  I don't like playing his music and I don't like listening to it either.  The Paganini Variations do well, but everything else generally does not, and I don't have room for the Paganini Variations, and I have no experience with them either.  Also, I can't play music from the Transcendental Period; Ravel and Debussy hate me.  As much as I would like to play La Valse, I just can't.

Goldberg had some interesting comments on the Concerto round.  The Alkan Solo Concerto is probably one of the most difficult piano concertos that is actually playable, but seeing as how it is a Solo Concerto, it is a huge gamble like you said.  I'll have to get some other people's opinions on that one, because I would love to play it.  I'm unfamiliar with the Ligeti, Schoenberg or Sauer Concerto.  I'm sure the Ligeti is a monster though.  I'll have to find a recording.  The only piece of Serialistic music I'd ever play in a competition is Berg's Sonata Op. 1, which is SO beautiful (maybe I should play that).  The Bartok Concertos are very beautful, and don't get me wrong, I love Bartok, but I am looking for something completely unique.

As of now, these are the concertos I'm looking at:

Barber Concerto
Medtner Concertos 1 and 3
Massenet Concerto
Alkan Solo Concerto
Rautavaara Concerto No. 1- this piece is great
Corigliano Piano Concerto (1968)
Moszkowski Piano Concerto

I can't believe you guys don't like the Massenet.  Change the Mephisto Waltz for Fantasia Baetica.

Also, I'm mad about the Schubert Sonata Round.  They aren't allowing the Sonata D. 537 posth. Op. 164, which is the only one I know.  I'm in the process of learning the D. 958.

Thanks.

[etudes]

i agree to switch memphisto with Corigliano Etude Fantasy or somethings else
anyway can u send me a note of Corigliano Etude Fantasy to Phu_pianist@yahoo.com
thank in advance
(i love Don Juan -Mozart-Liszt)
and for concerto i would go with alkan very nice and difficult (too hard for me!)

[Skeptopotamus]

I can't send sheet music for any of these pieces, seeing as how I don't get it off of the internet; all of the music I have is actual books.  I can send you recordings though.  I can get just about any recording for you.  If you want one of those, I'll send it to you.  Also, if you have a recording of the Ligeti Concerto I'll take that.

https://www.piano-e-competition.com/

There is more info on the competition here.

[Goldberg]

The Rautavaara concerto is indeed excellent. Really, any of the ones you listed would be well suited, but I would be a little uncertain about the Moszowksi concerto. In a way, I think it would be a GREAT piece to play, but on the other hand it's difficult to tell how it would be received at a competition. I suppose if you really excelled in portraying its scintillating energy and enthusiasm, however, it would be a great contrast to some of the more serious-minded pieces on the program.

[musicsdarkangel]

It sounds like you're going to have fun with this competition.  Great choices.


Would you mind sending me Mazeppa?  kingsha@yahoo.com

[Skeptopotamus]

alright.  I'm putting recordings of:

Cziffra Mazeppa
Cziffra Chasse-niege
Jalbert Corigliano Etude Fantasy
Massenet Piano Concerto


Anyone who posts helpful and thoughtful feedback will get a piece of their choice.

I'll put these in my Web Server.  I'll get it up and running by tomorrow, and I'll supply the URL then.  I have to get my friend to help get it up.  I don't really do well with computers.

Also, recommend some new concertos and pieces to replace Mephisto Waltz (Now Fantasia Baetica.)

And I'd reallly like to get that Ligeti concerto.

[amanfang]

I love the Fantasia Baetica. 

Try a Liebermann concerto.  Stephen Hough has recorded them both.  I prefer concerto #2.

www.lowellliebermann.com

[Goldberg]

Btw, I'm not sure if you made any additions or corrections or...whatevers...on this subject, but I might suggest using Le Festin de Aesop instead of Comme Le Vent. Le Festin is regarded by even some of the erudite scholars (who tend to turn a nose up at the mention of Alkan) as one of the composer's finest works--and, besides, it's a helluva lot of fun (I learnt the first half or so, but the piece is truly beyond me). Comme le Vent is not a highly regarded piece musically, and I believe Sorabji (or maybe Busoni) rightly, imo, considered Le Vent, from Trois Morcaeux dans le Genre Pathetique, to be a far more effective "wind" piece than Comme Le Vent. It's an excellent representation of a Wordsworth-ian Romantic idyll, Le Vent. Le Festin, on the other hand, as an efficently and concisely structured theme-and-variations that offers up plenty of moods--each variation supposedly representing an animal character from one of Aesop's fables of course--and an expansive display of technical demands. I believe it would be worth considering.

Then there is also the Overture, op. 39 no. 11...a more theatrical piece than any of the above.

[Skeptopotamus]

I am extremely familiar with just about everything Alkan wrote, seeing as how he is my favorite piano composer.  Le Festin d'Esope is a very interesting piece, impressive to say the least, but it clashes with the rest of the program and doesn't really bring anything to the table.  Comme Le Vent happens to be a personal favorite and is somewhat of the "precision" piece in my recital.  If I were going to switch it out for something else by Alkan, I would definitely use Le Preux anyway, which, believe it or not, is even more showy than Le Festin d'Esope.  I really just happen to like Comme le Vent a lot.  Ouverture is not really on the same level of difficulty as a lot of Alkan's other works, and isn't really a short piece either.  Originally, Ouverture was meant to be played with either the Symphonie or Solo Concerto that are also in the Etudes Op. 39, I think.  Also, as far as Le Festin d'Esope goes, you may have noticed that there really isn't a lot of very heavy music in my program.  Most of Alkan's music is basically just extremely loud, and I'm not saying that is necissarily bad, but Rachmaninov's Etude Tableaux Op. 39 No. 6 and 9 and parts of the Nutcracker are already taking the spot of that type of music, and any more would be just too exhausting.  I prefer lighter and flightier music.

Comme Le Vent may not be the absolutely perfect choice, but I really like it and am very comfortable with it.

Also, I'm going to drop Fantasia Baetica and Un Sospiro.  Well, you take a look at the changes I'm making.

Audition Round:
Beethoven Sonata No. 21 "Waldstein" Movement 1
Chopin Etudes Op. 25 No. 6
Chopin Etudes Op. 25 No. 11
Rachmaninov Etudes Tableaux Op. 39 No. 9

Those two Chopin Etudes I am really good at, and they are just about the only ones.  The Chopin Etudes do MUCH MUCH better at getting people into the Recital Round, and I want to use Mazeppa in the Recital Round itself.  Also, since apparently Comme Le Vent isn't a super great pick, I'll use the Rach etude.  It has a 100% rate of getting through to the next round, but it was only used in an Audition Round once, so that isn't necissarily reliable.  (Is it just me or did I say the word "round" a lot?)

Recital Round:
Liszt Transcendental Etudes Nos.  2, 4, 6, and 12
Rzewski North American Ballad No. 4 "Winnsboro Cotton Mill Blues"
Alkan Comme Le Vent
Prokofiev Toccata Op. 11
Bowen Toccata Op. 155
Babajanian Poem for Piano
Rachmaninov Etudes Tableaux Op. 39 Nos. 1, 6, 8, and 9
Tchaikovsky-Pletnev Concert Suite from the Ballet "Nutcracker"

I like this alot.  I might even stick with it.

Let's take it to a vote.  Who thinks I should play Comme Le Vent, and who thinks i should play Le Preux?  I don't have room for Le Festin d'Esope, but I could squeeze Le Preux in.  You can get midis for both of them off of https://classicalmusicarchives.com

[anda]

Anda, that recital round may be good for you or your students, but classical and pre-classical period music is definitely not my speciality.  Also, in this competition there is a Schubert Sonata round, so Schubert is probably not a good idea, and if I were going to include a piece by Schumann it would be the Carnaval suite, and there isn't any room for that, and I hate Brahms with a passion.  I don't like playing his music and I don't like listening to it either.  The Paganini Variations do well, but everything else generally does not, and I don't have room for the Paganini Variations, and I have no experience with them either.  Also, I can't play music from the Transcendental Period; Ravel and Debussy hate me.  As much as I would like to play La Valse, I just can't.

i only made a few suggestions - of course you have to play works you love, you will always play better what you really want to play.

as for composers who hate you, i have had some similar experiences but, if you will allow me one piece of advice for the long run: take the matter in your hands - start playing and listening tons of their works. after all, it's just a matter of taste, and taste is known to change in time.

best luck

[Goldberg]

Skeptopatamus; if Comme le Vent means so much to you, then I really don't think you can go wrong with playing it! The judges want to see a pianist having fun and enjoying the performance, and as long as you keep the recital in your own element like that you'll be just fine, I think. I hadn't stopped to think about how "out of place" Le Festin would be--I just understand from past experience that Comme le Vent is not often regarded as one of Alkan's best...BUT, that said, if you play it well and "like the wind" I don't think there will be a whole lot to complain about. Besides, I doubt that very many other competitors will be playing it as well.

Le Preux would be a good choice as well, but after reading your reasoning on choosing Comme Le Vent, I'd advise you to stick with Comme, and master it as well as you can. Btw, although I hadn't stopped to think about it before, I somewhat agree with your changes to the Audition round--you don't want to take any "gambles" there in playing less common works, I suppose (I've never played a competition so I don't know entirely how these things play out--but it makes sense). Plus, op. 25 no. 6 is my favourite Chopin etude...

[Noah]

To get back on the concerto topic, I do think Barber is still your best choice. And I agree with whoever said that a Bartok concerto would be excellent too. They're not played that often.
As much as I love it, I think Rautavaara 1 is not the best competition piece, but then I guess hardly anyone's ever played it in a big competition.
Do you know the Rawsthorne concerti? They're very nice pieces, you might want to consider them too.
I don't think you necessarily need pieces by lesser known composers to be original; for example Prokofiev 5, Rachmaninov 4, Tchaikovsky 2, the Stravinsky, etc would be excellent choices too. You seem to be looking for originality for the sake of originality a bit. It's great to see people playing more unusual repertoire, but in a competition you want to be careful not to be too original, it might end up looking like you're trying too hard to avoid being compared to your fellow contestants.
And how can you hate Brahms??! 

[shasta]

Skepto,
You have to go thru a Schubert Sonata round?!  Hmmm...by chance, is this competition the international one in Minneapolis/St.Paul?

[BoliverAllmon]

yes it is.

boliver

[Skeptopotamus]

I'm still working on what Concerto to use.  Maybe this...

Ligeti< Rautavaara< Corigliano< Barber
Moszkowski< Medtner< Massenet

I've been advised against playing the Alkan Solo Concerto.


So, it's down to

Barber Piano Concerto
Massenet Piano Concerto

For all of you Alkan fans I thought you would like the Massenet more.  But I guess not.

Come on people!  Am I the only one who likes the Massenet Piano Concerto?

[BoliverAllmon]

I personally have never had the pleasure of hearing the Massanet.

boliver

[Skeptopotamus]

ouch.  has anyone here ever broken a finger playing piano?  Well I did about an hour and a half ago.  Broken, as in not sprained but broken.

I'm not going to be playing the Corigliano piece, that's for sure.  That's how I did it.  If you are sceptical about being able to actually break a finger on the piano, go to this link,

https://www.piano-e-competition.com/contestantbios04/elizabethschumann.htm

scroll down to where there are 4 words in a column and they are all "video"

LEFT click the first one and skip to the time 7:50 and watch until 11:15

I was working on that etude.  Shes quite pretty, eh.  Fiery too.

um... forget that.  Well, THAT is how you break a finger.

Hey, just for fun, do you want to see some of the pieces I'm using?

https://www.piano-e-competition.com/contestantbios04/yungwookyoo.htm
Third video.  You have to skip to 6:00

https://www.piano-e-competition.com/contestantbios04/jiechen.htm
third video.  This one is a monster.

https://www.piano-e-competition.com/contestantbios04/marouanbenabdallah.htm
fourth video

https://www.piano-e-competition.com/contestantbios04/konstantinkrasnitsky.htm
eighth video.  He really botched this piece, but you get the idea.



I VERY STRONGLY suggest you check out at least the one I hurt myself on and the monster one.
Anyways, it's fun to watch them actually playing.  Surf around that site too.  It is really good. 

PS.  I have some happytime drugs in me right now so if I wrote anything that didn't make any sense, deal with it.

[BoliverAllmon]

did you go to the doc to confirm the break?

[anda]

i never broke a finger, but i've had other types of accidents. one thing: as soon as you can slightly move your finger, start playing. very slowly, stuff that won't pressure your wound and won't hurt it more, but start gradually using it. my doctor told me this once, and he is perfectly right: for pianists, playing (carefully) is best physiotherapy. unless you do this, you'll find it needs physiotherapy after it's recuperated, and this means more time off.

[Skeptopotamus]

Yeah.  Went to the doctor and everything.

Did you guys watch those videos?

And I have a change for my recital round.  TIHS IS FINAL


Rachmaninov Prelude Op. 3 No. 2
Rzewski North American Ballad No. 4 "Winnsboro Cotton Mill Blues"
Berg Piano Sonata Op. 1
Alkan Comme Le Vent
Corigliano Etude No. 4 "Ornaments"
Prokofiev Toccata Op. 11
Bowen Toccata Op. 155
Babajanian Poem for Piano
Liszt Chasse-Niege
Rachmaninov Etudes Tableaux Op. 39 Nos. 1, 6, and 9
Tchaikovsky-Pletnev Concert Suite from the Ballet "Nutcracker"


That's final.

But which of those two concertos?

[Skeptopotamus]

And yes, that is the same Corigliano etude.  Im gonna get my revenge.

[Goldberg]

Barber!

[Noah]

Barber, definitely.

[Skeptopotamus]

Barber it is then.  Does anyone know of an especially good recording of it?

[Noah]

Barber it is then.  Does anyone know of an especially good recording of it?

John Browning with Szell conducting the Cleveland Orchestra is my favourite, and historical too since Browning is the dedicatee of the concerto.

[ehpianist]

How long does your main round last?

One thing I have found is that , from the jury's perspective, it doesn't matter if you play 65 or 75  minutes.  In fact, they prefer it to be less time as they want to get all the participants over with as quickly as possible.  So if you can play very well in 65 minutes there is no need to fill up the other 10 minutes, it will just make them wish your performance were shorter and may detract from an otherwise stunning participation.  You just want to prove you can play, no need to extend it if you can make it shorter.  Just a thought.

Elena
https://www.pianofourhands.com

[Skeptopotamus]

My main round will be very close to 75 minutes, and that is how I like it.  I want t o be able t oget in as much music as I can, and I wouldn't know what to cut anyways.  I consider every piece important, and besides, it's a very fun recital.

[etudes]

did you make it??? reach in to the disklavier video recording round in 06??

[I Love Xenakis]

nah...  a member of da SDC inquired about that and either the person he talked to didnt handle the applications which means I just wasn't good enough to get in or there was a mix up with mail or money order or some *** like that; I sent an email to Stella Sick about a week ago but havent received any response.


And I didn't use anything like that as my recital round btw.  I have no idea what I was thinking when I made that list o.O  It was before I knew anything about programming something like that.  Koji Attwood, Ian Pace, Tatiana Kolesova and Jie Chen helped me a lot with fixing it.

[chromatickler]

JUZ ZIMPLY

BEZT THREAD EVAH

[e60m5]

lol

[skeptolotapus]

 

Wowzers how embarrasing.  I apologize for my former self.   

Now you know why I never posted enything int he audition room! hyuk hyuk hyuk

[etudes]

nah...  a member of da SDC inquired about that and either the person he talked to didnt handle the applications which means I just wasn't good enough to get in or there was a mix up with mail or money order or some *** like that; I sent an email to Stella Sick about a week ago but havent received any response.


And I didn't use anything like that as my recital round btw.  I have no idea what I was thinking when I made that list o.O  It was before I knew anything about programming something like that.  Koji Attwood, Ian Pace, Tatiana Kolesova and Jie Chen helped me a lot with fixing it.

you know personally with Ian Pace,Tatiana,Jie Chen??? wow!

[iumonito]

Wowzers how embarrasing.  I apologize for my former self.   

Now you know why I never posted enything int he audition room! hyuk hyuk hyuk

Doy por vivido todo lo soñado.