Stumped with a tiny segment's fingering

[jeronkey]

I'm busy learning the piece "Kratos" from Tales of Symphonia, and I'm unsure how I should play this:



There is no way my right hand is actually going to make that first stretch, and the second is uncomfortably far too. Is it right to assume I'm meant to hit those with my left hand?

And, on top of that - both hands are indicating the same note, but with different durations! How should I approach that?

[timothy42b]

Left hand plays the E, right hand plays the rest. 

[bronnestam]

You should play the upper "left hand note" with your right hand. The G ... well, if it is to be repeated, then repeat it. For the next triplet, let the F rest and play the triplet with your other fingers.

[jeronkey]

Thank you for the feedback, guys! I realized I made a mistake in my original post when I said "There is no way my right hand is going to make that first stretch". I had meant to say that there is no way my LEFT hand is going to make the stretch! Thankfully, that did not hinder you guys at all from giving the correct advice! Whew!

The song is in the key of G Major. Do you have any suggestions on the fingering itself? I play the first triplet with 3-5, and I'm attempting the second tuplet (with the F#) with 1-3-5*, but it feels a little uncomfortable. Do I just need to get my hand used to the position, or is there a better fingering?

*Which would be holding the F# with my thumb, and nailing the G and B with my middle and pinky. Correct?

Thanks again for the help.

[timothy42b]

G major?  F#???

I feel I was denied critical, need to know information.  (Movie quote:  Tremors 2, where he survives an attack by the new creature form, but he'd brought the wrong gun) 

Don't consider my advice worth anything, but my first impulse would be to finger that 3-5, 2-3-5, 1-3-5 changing on the beat.  2-4, 1-2-4, 1-3-5 would also work.  Might try it both ways, but my inclination is to finger how I usually do it rather that what would be perfect, because it's easier to sight read. 

[jeronkey]

I know! I'm horrible! 

I realized AFTER my original post that I probably should have mentioned which key the damn piece was in. Don't trust me to provide you with accurate information about enemy forces. You'll probably end up bringing the wrong guns. 

Thanks, though! I'll give this a whirl tomorrow and see which fingering I prefer.

[louispodesta]

I'm busy learning the piece "Kratos" from Tales of Symphonia, and I'm unsure how I should play this:



There is no way my right hand is actually going to make that first stretch, and the second is uncomfortably far too. Is it right to assume I'm meant to hit those with my left hand?

And, on top of that - both hands are indicating the same note, but with different durations! How should I approach that?

For the record, and for all of you geniuses, this is what Earl Wild (paraphrasing) stated in his Memoir.  And, that is, in his day (mid and late 2oth Century), every concert pianist that he knew, as matter of normal performance, re-distributed notes between the hands, based on the morphology of that particular pianist's hands.

So, if anyone wants to take (re-distribute) a note or notes in a hand different from the score, that is the way it has always been done!

[timothy42b]

So, if anyone wants to take (re-distribute) a note or notes in a hand different from the score, that is the way it has always been done!

Your point is correct but your wording perpetuates a myth.

The treble does not mean right hand, nor does the bass mean left hand.  Distributing (not redistributing) notes correctly between the hands is NOT different from the score.  You always have to make this choice. 

[louispodesta]

I'm busy learning the piece "Kratos" from Tales of Symphonia, and I'm unsure how I should play this:



There is no way my right hand is actually going to make that first stretch, and the second is uncomfortably far too. Is it right to assume I'm meant to hit those with my left hand?

And, on top of that - both hands are indicating the same note, but with different durations! How should I approach that?

As I have now listened to several You Tube videos of this piece, I will share with you the universal rule in regards any piece of music.  That is: be true to the rhythmic character of the work, and follow the melody.

Regarding the OP's question, the melody is the top note in the left hand.  That means, in regards the G natural, break the chord and play the note with the thumb of the left hand. 

Accordingly, in that the three note chord in the right hand is played Mezzo Forte, you can either break the second two chords and/or accentuate the F sharp and D natural the same way.

This is your personal choice.

[themeandvariation]

and to add insult to this 'complexity' the quarter note G cannot be held for its full value while honoring the alto voice as the same G being repeated in triplet..
The 2nd finger in the rh on the f# (instead of the rh thumb) may give you a bit more room, if you feel it a bit cramped using 135 - as you mention.

[louispodesta]

As I have now listened to several You Tube videos of this piece, I will share with you the universal rule in regards any piece of music.  That is: be true to the rhythmic character of the work, and follow the melody.

Regarding the OP's question, the melody is the top note in the left hand.  That means, in regards the G natural, break the chord and play the note with the thumb of the left hand. 

Accordingly, in that the three note chord in the right hand is played Mezzo Forte, you can either break the second two chords and/or accentuate the F sharp and D natural the same way.

This is your personal choice.

With all due respect to "themeandvariadic," I submit the following:

Regardless of whether one is utilizing an acoustic or digital piano when breaking a chord, there is something else commonly available to the performer called "the pedal."  This device was invented, not only to sustain a chord, but also to perpetuate a melodic line.

[themeandvariation]

Yes, Mr. Podesta, this is true about the pedal… but it not only will hold the quarter note G but all the other notes as well in that pedaling   -  so what is the point then?
Ah, you say, perhaps to ACCENT the quarter note might render this properly.
Good one!

As far as baroque keyboard music (where this sometimes occurs) and there Was no pedal available,  ….discuss.

[timothy42b]

Regarding the OP's question, the melody is the top note in the left hand. 

No.  The melody is the top note in the bass clef.  Bass clef does not equal left hand.  Stop giving misleading advice to beginners. 

That means, in regards the G natural, break the chord and play the note with the thumb of the left hand.

That is an option but not the first choice for this OP.  How is a beginner going to break that chord and not have the G be late?