Silly Music theory question

[adodd81802]

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[visitor]

correct, it's an augmented 7th, so theoretically , if analyzing harmoney you would follow std conventions and likely derive an altered harmony. it is enharmonic to an octave. it would be a strange chord , not likely encountered out side of very late (and funky modulation or borrowed harmony) romantic or more at home in 20th century and later writing.

so if a 3rd were in there somewhere , you'd be working w/ an ugly 7th chord that would likely have the B# moving to a B natural, it acting as supposed to, however the sharp could lead to a B double sharp or a C natural to c sharp as well depending on the context.

[adodd81802]

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[visitor]

Thanks a lot! I haven't seen this chord in a piece no, I've been using my time away from piano to work on learning more theory.

right on. yes you were partially correct but not specific enough hence my inclination to want to call it an augmented 7th. to just call it a 7th is not clear, it's like calling something ice cream, cool and all but what flavor?
C nat to BSharp->augmented 7th
C nat  to B nat -> major 7th (because it is tone 7 of the major scale built on C natural)
C nat to B flat ->minor 7th since the B flat is "Te" (using solfege) so it's the 7th tone of the minor scale built on C Natural.

 

[mjames]

jedi tricks. i have a music theory question.

is it true that f flat and e sharp are actual notes outside of piano music???

[adodd81802]

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[iansinclair]

jedi tricks. i have a music theory question.

is it true that f flat and e sharp are actual notes outside of piano music???

Yes.  Not only are they seen written in piano music (when, for instance, you have a C# major triad -- C#, E#, G#) but one can find them in other music as well -- and the ringer in the deck is that in instrumental and vocal music E# and F aren't quite the same.  They are on a piano, since most pianos use a tempered scale, but one would play or sing them very very slightly differently on other instruments or voice.