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Offline lalo57

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Cello and piano pieces
on: May 02, 2016, 07:55:14 AM
So... I'll be playing some cello pieces with one of the teachers at my school in some 3 weeks (I'm a student not a teacher) but I really have not much time to put into it daily so the easier the better...

I was wondering if you could tell me how difficult these pieces are FOR THE PIANIST. He's a very good cellist so he should be alright with anything.

Drei leichte Stücke by Hindemith
Adagio and Allegro by Schumann
Cello Sonata by Debussy
Vocalise by Rachmaninoff
Allegro Appassionato by Saint Saens
First Cello Sonata (or one that's easier) by Beethoven
7 variations woo 46 or 45 by Beethoven
Elegie by Fauré
Arpeggione Sonata by Schubert

So anyway... If you could suggest other pieces that aren't like much easier but easier than some here I'd be so thankful.

It has to be a tad over half an hour so... which of these would make an easier repertoire for the pianist that lasted more than that.
I know beethoven and schubert are harder than all the others and look stupid next to them but I thought that since they are long it'd make it easier for the pianist to play less pieces.

The Debussy sonata seems to have only a couple of hard sections... how hard is it really? I know I may sound dumb in case all my assumptions here are stupid but I really just don't know much about this. Thanks :)

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Re: Cello and piano pieces
Reply #1 on: May 02, 2016, 10:24:28 AM
You dont share your experience collaborating.  Easier how? As in making the piano and cello parts fit nicely?  Easier for the cello to pull off? Less tecnicallly demanding for piano only (be warned an 'easier' piano part may be harder to rehearse or work into performance w the cello, a 'harder" piano part mY be easier to perform w the cello, and a busier piano part may mask an easier to perform overall work due to less collaborative and ensemble challenges, etc).

Lot of moving parts, not enough bits of info to really say one way or another

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Re: Cello and piano pieces
Reply #2 on: May 02, 2016, 01:57:09 PM
You dont share your experience collaborating.  Easier how? As in making the piano and cello parts fit nicely?  Easier for the cello to pull off? Less tecnicallly demanding for piano only (be warned an 'easier' piano part may be harder to rehearse or work into performance w the cello, a 'harder" piano part mY be easier to perform w the cello, and a busier piano part may mask an easier to perform overall work due to less collaborative and ensemble challenges, etc).

Lot of moving parts, not enough bits of info to really say one way or another

I meant less technically demanding for the pianist. Since I don't have more than 3 weeks probably and it is by no means the priority of what I'm currently doing. I will of course put time into this daily and try to do it as nice as possible, and that's the reason I would like to do one piece that doesn't keep me overworrying about technically challenging parts every 10 measures.
And I've had some experience as a répétiteur for two years with a chorus, and an orchestra... so not like a lot of experience but this is nothing new at least. Thank you

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Re: Cello and piano pieces
Reply #3 on: May 02, 2016, 02:03:12 PM
I meant less technically demanding for the pianist. Since I don't have more than 3 weeks probably and it is by no means the priority of what I'm currently doing. I will of course put time into this daily and try to do it as nice as possible, and that's the reason I would like to do one piece that doesn't keep me overworrying about technically challenging parts every 10 measures.
And I've had some experience as a répétiteur for two years with a chorus, and an orchestra... so not like a lot of experience but this is nothing new at least. Thank you
ok gotcha, hmm, word to the wise again is to make sure you are consulting the cellist tomake sure you get their take on the difficulty of the piece for the cello and the ensemble challenge it can pose.

if i were tight on time and resources i would do the Kabalevsky cello concerto, the std reduuction is solid, not easy, not too hard, butif you  are really really pressed you can do the 'frustrated accompanist' series version of it which gives a good sounding re-do of the piano part but minimizing challenge for the pianist



i have the score to the frustrated accompanist version of the violin and cello concertos, they're a cinch if you can hang w/ most standard mozart, early beethoven, easy Bartok, etc.
https://www.frustratedaccompanist.com/
https://www.frustratedaccompanist.com/products/cello/kabalevsky_opus49.shtml

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Re: Cello and piano pieces
Reply #4 on: May 07, 2016, 09:37:41 PM
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Drei leichte Stücke by Hindemith
Adagio and Allegro by Schumann
Cello Sonata by Debussy
Vocalise by Rachmaninoff
Allegro Appassionato by Saint Saens
First Cello Sonata (or one that's easier) by Beethoven
7 variations woo 46 or 45 by Beethoven
Elegie by Fauré
Arpeggione Sonata by Schubert

I haven't played (or even heard, that I can recall) the Hindemith.

Schumann: takes a bit pf practice and you will need a very confident technique - some quite fast leaps and stuff.

Debussy: not too hard technically but it can be quite hard to fit together. Much easier if one or other player has done it before. Some tricky stuff in the 3rd movement.

Rachmaninoff: not really terribly hard, just a few awkward hand shifts to negotiate. But playing it really beautifully is another thing.

Saint-Saens: not hard, frankly. It's a cello show-off and the accompaniment is mostly oom-cha.

Beethoven: there are quite a lot of notes in all the cello sonatas, but it's such wonderful music you won't begrudge the practice you'll probably need to do. The 'Bei Männern' variations are moderately tricky in places. The Handel variations I've never played.

Arpeggione is actually very straightforward for the pianist.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Cello and piano pieces
Reply #5 on: May 09, 2016, 09:21:44 PM
Thank you guys so much. Both of your answers helped quite a lot!

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