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Offline omnisis

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Piano Learning Methods for Adult Beginners...
on: January 05, 2005, 02:42:21 PM
First of all a little background, then my question. I'm a 25 yr old
who just started learning piano this year. I started from scratch:
this is a ledger line, this is middle C, etc. I had absolutely NO
experience with music whatsoever. I'm to the point now where I can
play fairly easy numbers in a handful of keys (C,F,G,Bb,D,A Major
Keys). For Christmas I even learned to play some arrangements of
popular Christmas Carols. I am completely self taught at this point
and have been working through the John Schaum and Alfred Adult
All-In-One Courses. Luckily I have a roomie who has played piano for
quite some time and he graciously "grades" my lessons and offers a few
hints on playing. I am also friends with other piano-playing people,
some who have had teachers with impressive credentials. I am currently
on the "B" book by Schaum and am about to start the 2nd Alfred Book. I
think this is pretty good considering 6 months ago I had to start out with the
"Primer" book which is basically what most 6 year olds begin with...


I've been doing a lot of reading on the 'net and it seems like there is
dichotomy in the adult piano pedagogy world between the "Learn to play
easy pop piano" ppl who push chord-based methods and jazz theory and
the classical ppl who push learning Hanon, Czerny, Tons of scale
exercises and an incrementally progressive repetoire of Classical
Pieces. Personally I like Classical music, I listen to it often and I
really like Chopin, Beethoveen, Brahms, Debussy, Bartok etc. I would
like to develop my technique to a point where I can play tunes by
gershwin, chopin, debussy and others with a high degree of accuracy. I
would also like to learn how to play jazz arrangements of showtunes or
standard piano solos. Additionally, I would like to learn some of the
intangible techniques that jazz(improvizational) pianists use to create
harmony, accompany other players and have a more "musical" ear when
playing. The standard classical method doesn't seem to stress these
skills. I realize piano is a lifelong commitment and I am willing to
invest the time to improve my sight-reading and technical ability but I
don't want to ignore things like ear-training and chord progressions
because those are the fundamentals behind how music "works". Has
anyone out there have any experience with a piano teacher who
emphasizes all of these aspects? Should I focus on classical methods
and excersizes for the next 5(or however many) years and then learn
jazz theory or try to learn them simultaneously? Also what's a good
practice routine for someone like me who doesn't want to get
pigeon-holed as purely a classical or purely a jazz/pop piano player?
Right now I play scales in all the keys as I learn pieces in those keys
and their respective relative minor and melodic minors. I usually play
the scale in one octave, then two octaves, then in contray motion. I
also do a few simple finger exercises from the lesson books I use, but
don't have a rigid technical exercise regimen. Also is there a good
reference to classical piano solos graded by difficulty? I realize
that there are "easy-arrangements" of popular classical tunes but I'd
like to start building a repetoiore of orginal classical pieces (not
arrangements) and start out with something besides the (oh so
popular)fur elise.

Any guidance would be greatly appreciated...

Offline xvimbi

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Re: Piano Learning Methods for Adult Beginners...
Reply #1 on: January 05, 2005, 03:31:09 PM
It's great that you started a new hobby!

Here is my advise: get a teacher!

Without a competent guide, it is very difficult to make the best progress, and it is even more difficult to avoid acquiring bad habits that will prevent you from realizing your full potential in the long run. A teacher is simply indispensable, but one has to find the right one.

Good luck!


PS: And one last thing: forget about Hanon, Czerny and the like :D

Offline bernhard

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Re: Piano Learning Methods for Adult Beginners...
Reply #2 on: January 05, 2005, 10:17:09 PM
Good advice from xvimbi. :D

For a bit more detail, have a look at the links in this thread :P:

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,5767.msg56133.html#msg56133

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Should I focus on classical methods
and excersizes for the next 5(or however many) years and then learn
jazz theory or try to learn them simultaneously?

Learn them simultaneously. Music is a holistic business. Each bit informs the other.


 
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Also is there a good
reference to classical piano solos graded by difficulty? I realize
that there are "easy-arrangements" of popular classical tunes but I'd
like to start building a repetoiore of orginal classical pieces (not
arrangements) and start out with something besides the (oh so
popular)fur elise.

I could not agree more with you. There is a huge repertory of original piano pieces out there of superior quality, and there should be no need for anyone ever learning any facilitated version of the Beethoven’s Ode to Joy and other such monstrosities. (Believe it or not, I even came across a facilitated version of Fur Elise).

Have a look here for a small sample of truly worthwhile classical pieces that even complete beginners should be able to tackle successfully:

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,1834.msg13883.html#msg13883
(suggestions for beginner pieces)

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,1970.msg15762.html#msg15762
(easy sonatas)

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2147.msg18098.html#msg18098
(Easiest piano piece ever written)

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2314.msg19869.html#msg19869
(Schumann’s Album for the young)

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2340.msg20224.html#msg20224
(Building your piano foundations – suggestions for a progressive repertory)

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2398.msg20989.html#msg20989
(suggestions for Scarlatti sonatas and Prokofiev pieces of beginner/intermediate level).

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2562.msg22127.html#msg22127
(Suggestions for repertory for someone who has been playing for a year)

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,2851.msg24984.html#msg24984
(Introduction to romantic pieces)

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4094.msg38101.html#msg38101
(Liszt easy pieces)

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4140.msg38111.html#msg38111
(True repertory for total beginners)

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4238.msg39061.html#msg39061
(easy show off pieces)

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,4416.msg41105.html#msg41105
(nice slow romantic piece for beginner)

https://pianoforum.net/smf/index.php/topic,5063.msg49589.html#msg49589
(Albums for the young)

I hope this helps.

Best wishes,
Bernhard.




The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side. (Hunter Thompson)

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Re: Piano Learning Methods for Adult Beginners...
Reply #3 on: January 06, 2005, 05:50:27 AM
Very well said, xvimbi!!

I totally agree with him, especially about the bad habits.
Co-president of the Bernhard fan club!

Offline jlh

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Re: Piano Learning Methods for Adult Beginners...
Reply #4 on: January 06, 2005, 08:48:20 AM
(Believe it or not, I even came across a facilitated version of Fur Elise).

I've seen 3 or 4 different dumbed-down versions of Fur Elise myself...  I guess they figure the original is simply too difficult.  ::)
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Offline omnisis

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Re: Piano Learning Methods for Adult Beginners...
Reply #5 on: January 06, 2005, 10:39:45 PM
Thanks so much to everyone for all your comments!  I am presently working on getting a good teacher in my area (Washington DC), if anyone happens to know of a good one let me know.   Also thanks for the website links,  this forum is a really great resource!

~omnisis

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Re: Piano Learning Methods for Adult Beginners...
Reply #6 on: January 07, 2005, 10:15:42 AM
Thanks so much to everyone for all your comments!  I am presently working on getting a good teacher in my area (Washington DC), if anyone happens to know of a good one let me know.   Also thanks for the website links,  this forum is a really great resource!

~omnisis

My thanks to all the posters here also!!
Like you, I too am looking for a teacher in the Northern Virginia and/or DC area.  If you happen to find a GREAT teacher...please let me know too!!  My background and progress is very similar to your own but I am 54 years of age....


I have been reading this forum for some time now and I really wish Bernhard would do two things:
  1.  Move to Northern Virginia and teach piano.
  2. Write a book which compiles all of his excellent references, posts, advice.....etc.
 ;D

Anyone happen to know of a Bernhard-like teacher in this area?  I want to learn to play piano by learning the songs I like!!  Not by learning 126 pieces from method books.  :P


Again....many thanks to everyone here at the Paino Forum for all their posts,
HarleyMan


 
Have a GREAT day!
HarleyMan
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