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Offline furtwaengler

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Schubert, Scriabin, Bortkiewitz from recital
on: September 08, 2016, 07:42:49 AM
Here are a couple selections from a 10:30 AM recital in a beautiful garden setting with a wonderfully appreciative crowd. There were a couple items I'll not post which in which I took a tremendous risk and I really bombed, fell flat on my face, and yet they gave me I think the biggest ovation of my life,,,strange, but I'll take it! There is a name for the communication of what a
person sees determining what a person hears, but I cannot think of it. I remember a video of a man saying "Bah, bah, bah," with the audio "vah, vah, vah" - the listener hears what he sees, rather than seeing what he hears - valuable insight for the performing artist, though not so good for recordings!

(I regret that with the soft pedal down at the end of the Bortkiewitz the low D-flat refused to sound though I pushed it twice...must be a personal problem.)
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Re: Schubert, Scriabin, Bortkiewitz from recital
Reply #1 on: September 08, 2016, 07:48:02 AM
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Re: Schubert, Scriabin, Bortkiewitz from recital
Reply #2 on: September 08, 2016, 10:38:54 AM
There is a name for the communication of what a
person sees determining what a person hears, but I cannot think of it. I remember a video of a man saying "Bah, bah, bah," with the audio "vah, vah, vah" - the listener hears what he sees, rather than seeing what he hears - valuable insight for the performing artist, though not so good for recordings!

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Re: Schubert, Scriabin, Bortkiewitz from recital
Reply #3 on: September 08, 2016, 02:40:12 PM
At first I didn't recognize the etude, but quickly recognized it when the wonderful second theme kicked in! Nice playing, enjoyed the Bortk and Scriabin!!

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Re: Schubert, Scriabin, Bortkiewitz from recital
Reply #4 on: September 09, 2016, 02:20:49 AM
I somehow posted more than I thought I had with that Schubert...I was thinking I know that thing is not that long. Edited out the bad sight reading and put the Schubert alone in the original post.
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Thanks for the comments. I love that middle theme in the Scriabin. Ted you always give me something to ponder.
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Re: Schubert, Scriabin, Bortkiewitz from recital
Reply #5 on: September 09, 2016, 03:34:34 AM
... There were a couple items I'll not post which in which I took a tremendous risk and I really bombed, fell flat on my face, and yet they gave me I think the biggest ovation of my life,,,strange, but I'll take it! There is a name for the communication of what a
person sees determining what a person hears, but I cannot think of it. I remember a video of a man saying "Bah, bah, bah," with the audio "vah, vah, vah" - the listener hears what he sees, rather than seeing what he hears - valuable insight for the performing artist, though not so good for recordings!
I think that recordings are not the best way to experience music, when you are there watching it being created in front of you, seeing the performer, absorbing the atmosphere etc, that is the real special moment. I think as performers we are hardly ever satisfied with how we play, thats something that many of us just have to carry each time in terms of the audience perspective it's very irrelevant though which is good!



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Re: Schubert, Scriabin, Bortkiewitz from recital
Reply #6 on: September 09, 2016, 06:06:53 AM
I think that recordings are not the best way to experience music, when you are there watching it being created in front of you, seeing the performer, absorbing the atmosphere etc, that is the real special moment. I think as performers we are hardly ever satisfied with how we play, thats something that many of us just have to carry each time in terms of the audience perspective it's very irrelevant though which is good!




Yes, I've experienced this first hand as an audience member. Actually a similar effect with recordings based on my knowledge of a piece. Unless I've actively studied or played a composition lots of fllaws go unnoticed even in recordings.
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Re: Schubert, Scriabin, Bortkiewitz from recital
Reply #7 on: September 09, 2016, 10:07:58 PM
I don't particularly care for the Schubert as a piece of music, but regarding the Scriabin and especially the Bortkiewicz (which I am rather fond of) - nice playing! And it sounds like everyone was having a good time, so win win.
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Re: Schubert, Scriabin, Bortkiewitz from recital
Reply #8 on: September 10, 2016, 04:50:37 AM
Hi Dave,

It's always a treat listening to your recital renditions.  I thoroughly enjoyed the Scriabin and Borkiewitz pieces.  You had a wonderful command of touch, dynamics, color, and nuances.  The Schubert march is interesting and the audience enjoyed it.  I had never heard it before.  The march almost sounded like a piano narrative played along with a silent movie -- but silent movies with piano accompianists hadn't been invented yet.  Anyway, you played this lessor known but interesting piece very well with precision and enthusiasm.

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Re: Schubert, Scriabin, Bortkiewitz from recital
Reply #9 on: September 10, 2016, 06:41:36 AM
Thanks for the comments guys, Regarding the Schubert, it is a bit obscure and strange. I was introduced to it listening to an all Schubert recital Richter played somewhere in the UK round about 1975 (including one of his l o n g renderings of the G major D. 894 which has always struck me as sublime even it's not "right"). I didn't know what to make of the march. It seemed militant, perhaps revolutionary..I was struck by the tension and the harmony, which who knows, may have been just an exercise of getting every key in there. It could be a bit quirky or humorous, it could be a parody, or it could be dead serious. In Richter's hands of course it was serious, but the piece itself is ambiguous. These are just thoughts; I really don't know anything about it in actuality, but I was taken by it that one time I heard it and have played it 4 times now. I leave it to others as to whether it's good or bad music, I can just say I like it and will keep it.
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Re: Schubert, Scriabin, Bortkiewitz from recital
Reply #10 on: October 12, 2016, 06:23:08 PM
There were a couple items I'll not post which in which I took a tremendous risk and I really bombed, fell flat on my face, and yet they gave me I think the biggest ovation of my life,,,strange, but I'll take it!

I have often heard my pianist son enzo hating the way he played a particular piece yet getting the maximal amount of applause and appreciation from the audience.  I think the pianist after years of being "framed" by the rules/methods/conventions taught in music school will squirm if major deviations (mistakes & slips) happen ....  however to their surprise, the non-pianist crowd, whose mind is unframed from such  rules/methods/conventions will just love it.

I liked the Borkiewitz and Schubert more than the Scriabin.  Thanks for posting.

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Re: Schubert, Scriabin, Bortkiewitz from recital
Reply #11 on: November 24, 2016, 12:46:55 PM
Hey man,

Just wanted to say thanks for posting in general. Etudes, nocturnes, preludes any of this style of music catches my eye, and I was not disappointed when I heard, in particular the op.15 no.8

I have over 12,000 music files and so i'm always amazed and happy to come across another piece of wonderful music I can add to my library and eventually my fingers!

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