3rd and 5th finger got problem hitting the keys together

[thomas82]

I have issue hitting using my 3rd and 5th finger at the same time on the keyboard.
Everytime i hit it,my 4th finger will also go down too.

Any advice?

[indianajo]

Schmitt exercises are the most rudimentary.  I did those for over a year age 8. 
I had the same problem, only fingers 3 and 4.
You can download them from pianostreet. Or, In the paper days, I used the G. Schirmer copy.
Remember to use proper posture with the hands drooping down from the elbows, the wrists flat, the fingers curved naturally, the head erect. 

[dogperson]

Below is a link to finger independence exercises that you can do away from the piano... be patient, third and fifth finger independence without involving the 4th finger takes time and patience due to the anatomy of the hand. ..  where the 3rd and 4th fingers are linked together.  Work slowly and do not strain. 

[louispodesta]

I have issue hitting using my 3rd and 5th finger at the same time on the keyboard.
Everytime i hit it,my 4th finger will also go down too.

Any advice?

The fingers of your hand are not the same shape, length or structure.  And, most importantly, they are made up of ligaments, tendons, bones and cartilage. 

What they are not made up of is muscle.  There, I said it again, there are no muscles in your fingers.

Accordingly, in order to play the piano, one has to utilize the anatomical structure of the human hand.  Specific to your question, the third and four fingers are joinged in the hand together.  Threfore, no amount of hand independence exercises will make any difference.

My coach, Dr. Thomas Mark ("What Every Pianist Needs To Know About the Body" www.pianomap.com) has taught me in private coaching sessions that it is normally not possible to play double thirds, fourths or sixths in unison.

Further, an important detail of the predicate associated with my video's thesis is that the pianists of the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries never played their music in this post World War II (Conservatory method) of block chord, concise note-perfect "Urtext" playing.

[dogperson]

The fingers of your hand are not the same shape, length or structure.  And, most importantly, they are made up of ligaments, tendons, bones and cartilage.  

What they are not made up of is muscle.  There, I said it again, there are no muscles in your fingers.

Accordingly, in order to play the piano, one has to utilize the anatomical structure of the human hand.  Specific to your question, the third and four fingers are joinged in the hand together.  Threfore, no amount of hand independence exercises will make any difference.

My coach, Dr. Thomas Mark ("What Every Pianist Needs To Know About the Body" www.pianomap.com) has taught me in private coaching sessions that it is normally not possible to play double thirds, fourths or sixths in unison.

Further, an important detail of the predicate associated with my video's thesis is that the pianists of the 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries never played their music in this post World War II (Conservatory method) of block chord, concise note-perfect "Urtext" playing.

Louis, your reference to your video of rolling chords is really not relevant to the question.  This gets really, really old.  As you have admitted, NOT ALL CHORDS WERE ROLLED in early music-- it was done for effect.  

Edited to add:   Frankly, your posting your link to your video in response to questions where it is not relevant appears just to be a means  of hopefully getting more YouTube hits.....   Surely, you don't want to give that impression on this forum. 

In addition , are you telling the OP that you can't play a simple E-G with the 3-5th fingers, without playing the F with the fourth?? .... hogwash!!!!!!  

[minhogang]

For a beginner, I think Hanon's first 31 exercises would be good for you. Do it with high, lifted fingers and don't strain yourself to avoid injury.

when those become too easy there are some harder fixed position exercises like Liszt technical exercises, and first couple pages of Dohnanyi exercises.

All of these are available on imslp.org free for you to take a look at.

[louispodesta]

Regarding the thoughtful response of "dogperson,"

"are you telling the OP that you can't play a simple E-G with the 3-5th fingers, without playing the F with the fourth?Huh? .... hogwash!!!!!!"

Yes, I am.

One of the first things that my coach Thomas Mark taught me "at his piano in his studio" was his Taubman/Golandksky/Durbo whole body experience (Alexander) of the technique associated with playing the piano.

Therefore, as aforesaid, none of the fingers of the human hand are the same size, length or shape.

Accordingly, Dr. Mark teaches that it is wishful at best to practice (in unison) double thirds, fourths or sixths, with any real expectation that this is possible in a "normal" fashion, as it relates to the morphology/kinesiology of the human hand.

[dogperson]

Regarding the thoughtful response of "dogperson,"

"are you telling the OP that you can't play a simple E-G with the 3-5th fingers, without playing the F with the fourth?Huh? .... hogwash!!!!!!"

Yes, I am.

One of the first things that my coach Thomas Mark taught me "at his piano in his studio" was his Taubman/Golandksky/Durbo whole body experience (Alexander) of the technique associated with playing the piano.

Therefore, as aforesaid, none of the fingers of the human hand are the same size, length or shape.

Accordingly, Dr. Mark teaches that it is wishful at best to practice (in unison) double thirds, fourths or sixths, with any real expectation that this is possible in a "normal" fashion, as it relates to the morphology/kinesiology of the human hand.

Sorry, but this still is not completely responsive:  It is not credible  that you are saying you always play a 'F' when playing an  E-G with the3rd and 5th finger.  That is what this OP is asking.  Whether it is completely 'in unison' as per Dr. Mark is not relevant:  the question is to play this in close to unison fashion so that any difference is not discernible.  And the correct answer is:  Yes, you can.  It is done every day... and I am sure that you can and do play at E-G simultaneously.  I don't think your fingers always hit an 'F' at the same time. 

[indianajo]

 Specific to your question, the third and four fingers are joinged in the hand together.  Threfore, no amount of hand independence exercises will make any difference.

You are expensively educated, and loudly, blatantly, dogmatically, prolifically wrong.
I have personal experience with regaining 3-4 independence after an injury, with Schmitt exercises.  My teacher was in those days, free.  My Mother.  My problem was diagnosed by a 3rd grade elementary school teacher.  In 1958, when using finger 3 RH, I always pushed it from behind with 4. 
Besides playing various piano repretoire pretty freely with my crippled hand, I excel at manual tasks like threading bolts backwards in odd positions totally blind;  In positions where the usual thumb cannot be applied to the problem.  A task frequently passed off to me by my factory mechanic co-workers.   
The hands and brain are capable of amazing skills.  Students train the hands and fingers early with some hobby, adults miss out on the growth of the associated brain area that happens with early training.  See articles about Einstein's "violin" brain area, and what physical movements he was practicing when thinking about space-time relativity for the first time. 

[louispodesta]

Sorry, but this still is not completely responsive:  It is not credible  that you are saying you always play a 'F' when playing an  E-G with the3rd and 5th finger.  That is what this OP is asking.  Whether it is completely 'in unison' as per Dr. Mark is not relevant:  the question is to play this in close to unison fashion so that any difference is not discernible.  And the correct answer is:  Yes, you can.  It is done every day... and I am sure that you can and do play at E-G simultaneously.  I don't think your fingers always hit an 'F' at the same time. 


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As someone who plays the Prokofiev 1st Piano Concerto, I know something about double notes, including the fingers 3 and 5.  You cannot play 1-3, 2-4, and 3-5, and not have the fifth finger come down before the third.

Stating, as you have, that the goal is for a pianist to get it is as close to unison as possible, is not only very wrong, it is physically dangerous.

[ronde_des_sylphes]

As someone who plays the Prokofiev 1st Piano Concerto, I know something about double notes, including the fingers 3 and 5.  You cannot play 1-3, 2-4, and 3-5, and not have the fifth finger come down before the third.

Is this serious? Speaking as someone who plays bucketloads of paraphrases and knows something about double notes ; ) I can choose which of 3 or 5 comes down first, I can voice them, and I can also play them in unison..

[dogperson]

Sorry, but this still is not completely responsive:  It is not credible  that you are saying you always play a 'F' when playing an  E-G with the3rd and 5th finger.  That is what this OP is asking.  Whether it is completely 'in unison' as per Dr. Mark is not relevant:  the question is to play this in close to unison fashion so that any difference is not discernible.  And the correct answer is:  Yes, you can.  It is done every day... and I am sure that you can and do play at E-G simultaneously.  I don't think your fingers always hit an 'F' at the same time.  


/quote]
As someone who plays the Prokofiev 1st Piano Concerto, I know something about double notes, including the fingers 3 and 5.  You cannot play 1-3, 2-4, and 3-5, and not have the fifth finger come down before the third.

Stating, as you have, that the goal is for a pianist to get it is as close to unison as possible, is not only very wrong, it is physically dangerous.

Once again, you are unresponsive to the original post and to my question.  The question was  can you play an E-G with the 3rd and 5th finger WITHOUT playing the F.  You are not responding to this simple question because, quite frankly, you would prefer an esoteric response rather than admitting

Yes, you can develop the skill not to play the 4th finger at the same time.

Louis, your lack of simple response to simple questions boggles the mind and reduces your credibility.  

[louispodesta]

It finally dawned on me that the OP did not cite a particular piece, with a particular phrase, wherein the problem exists.   I play the Debussy Fantasie, wherein I reach for a 3-5 chord that is not a double third, and it is no big deal.

Once again, Piano Street has taken a very real and a very serious problem, and then churned it into a major problem, WITHOUT SPECIFICS.!!