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Offline athrun200

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Is it a pedal marking?
« on: January 07, 2017, 10:07:31 AM »
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1z2vqq6u0y3vkcv/piano.jpg?dl=0

There are square brackets in the L.H part for bar 1 and bar 2.
I guess they are pedal marking as there is a indicator of ped in bar 3.

Am I right?

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Re: Is it a pedal marking?
«Reply #1 on: January 07, 2017, 10:49:47 AM »
Hi
Your picture did not display
Do you mean something like this?   |__|  |___| ?
this is a symbol for depress and release pedal with a break between pedaling

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Re: Is it a pedal marking?
«Reply #2 on: January 07, 2017, 12:20:47 PM »
Yes. Because sometimes I see people simply write Ped on the score, I want to confirm this one.

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Re: Is it a pedal marking?
«Reply #3 on: January 07, 2017, 12:26:07 PM »
Yes. Because sometimes I see people simply write Ped on the score, I want to confirm this one.


This is a type of pedaling marking, but SPECIFIC, so that the break between the Ped is defined clearly when the Ped will be used again.

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Re: Is it a pedal marking?
«Reply #4 on: January 07, 2017, 03:18:22 PM »
I am able to see the picture.  Dogperson is correct.
I'd like to add that pedal markings are not always totally accurate, and sometimes they are also editors' interpretations with other possibilities.  You should always also listen to the effects so you can judge and adjust. (That's what I'm being taught, lol.)
In this case you get a particular effect.  Often a note or chord is struck twice and in that case it is impossible to play legato using only the hands, plus you jump quite a distance in the LH from the first bass note in each measure.  It's a Laendler, thus an old dance.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/e4zbtu33457fmrl/PS1.mp3?dl=0
I've played the LH three ways: 1) without pedal, 2) pedaling once for each measure with the chord change, 3) as written.

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Re: Is it a pedal marking?
«Reply #5 on: January 08, 2017, 02:42:39 AM »
https://www.dropbox.com/s/e4zbtu33457fmrl/PS1.mp3?dl=0
I've played the LH three ways: 1) without pedal, 2) pedaling once for each measure with the chord change, 3) as written.

Thanks for you demonstration. But there is one thing I am not sure.
The pedal marking start on the first beat and end on the beginning of second beat.
It seems to me that I should press the pedal on the first beat and release it on the beginning of second beat.
So it will sound legato for the first bass note and start to sound staccato on the second and the third.

But your recording sounds like that you release the pedal marking on the beginning of the third beat.

Am I wrong or something?

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Re: Is it a pedal marking?
«Reply #6 on: January 31, 2017, 05:54:23 PM »
I just saw this response now.  You know, you're right.  Somewhere in there I played how I felt the music, rather than what was indicated in the pedal markings.  I just tried playing what is actually there.  On Youtube I found some child-students playing it in a way that sounded like when I followed the instructions literally.  It's not fair to the kids to post any link here.

It's hard to find any professional recordings of these little pieces assigned to students.  I found one of Richter playing a Laendler, which might give us a feel of this kind of piece.

Here's another by a professional - it has this staccato sound too.  (i.e. I was really off in my recording)
=35

I like learning more about whatever I'm doing - here at random is one explanation of the Laendler
http://www.classical-music.com/article/What-is-a-L-ndler

Here it is, being danced.
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and in Sound of Music (!!)
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(I've learned a few things).
... adding - including that the Landler in the Sound of Music is actually a the Lonely Goatherd arranged with a different rhythm


per
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A4ndler