it doesn't fit the narrative and meaning I've structured around the piece.
'narrative and meaning' in Bach?? Sounds bonkers to me.
Why would you want to?
I am also curious about your "narrative and meaning" ideas, and curious about the actual differences regarding interpretation you are having with your teacher. Are you able to provide details?
I myself, enjoy discussions like this with students. Isn't that what teaching and learning are all about?!
What is the purpose of playing if not to share something beyond the notes that are written on the page?
So what's the most respectful way to tell a teacher who has 40 plus years of experience on you, who is very accomplished and who happens to be a bit of a Bach specialist that you disagree with their interpretation of Bach? When I say it like this it seems like even more of a bad idea, yet I don't see this particular prelude and fugue in the same way and can't see myself playing it as instructed. His interpretation is just that, it's his, and it doesn't fit the narrative and meaning I've structured around the piece. Does anyone have any advice or experience with this? As a beginning piano student in college, I want to be very careful not to seem rude or dismissive of his approach, but at the same time I feel very strongly about this and all value I place in our student-teacher relationship aside, he will be writing my grade!
Because I see things differently and as weird as this sounds it doesn't "resonate" with me to play it as instructed. It's not that I think he's "wrong" which is why I want to approach this carefully, but he sees it differently, which I'll explain below. So the piece in question is the C minor prelude from WTC1. I think of it as a tribulation, a trial not as a matter of tempo but of articulation. C minor is a very striking key in my mind, and this prelude really presents to me as pianistic purgatory of sorts, with its modulations and then the shift into the fugue. My teacher has a more dignified and poised view of it, everything legato and relatively even in dynamic. We agree on most everything else about the piece, and we both agree on the tempo not being so fast that you lose the intricacies of the broken chords.
Keypeg: WOW! That last one is quite unusual, can't say I'm a fan but I can't say that I'd go out of my way to make a nasty comment about it either. I'll be recording the prelude and fugue at the end of the term, at which point I'll be sure to update you guys! My teacher wants the entirety of the prelude to be very legato, and I want to separate slightly at the first and fifth notes of each sequence. Not a staccato separation but a slight gap in the sound so that I can emphasize the changes in the chord progression, particularly in the return of the C minor sequences. We generally agree on everything else about the piece.
It sounds "bonkers" to me to play anything beyond exercises without meaning and narrative! What is the purpose of playing if not to share something beyond the notes that are written on the page?
A composition exists with or without the musician, however, music can only exist in tandem with the musician. Even if you are reading it in your head, your mind becomes the instrument as it creates the imagined sound. Why is the logic applied only to Bach? I don't understand. We seem to come from very different ways of thinking and I'm curious about this.
Like putting all the punctuation marks in the wrong place...Exactly!Maybe the OP doesn't realize just how popular this one is.That it's been played this way for almost 300 years and he is not the first to try and convince his teacher to let him play it differently.Would you play this your way if you were auditioning for conservatory? Or would you take your teachers advice?
Some advice from someone who has been to music school. Have your own ideas but be teachable.
You misunderstand. Bach doesn't require a physical plane. Chopin and Debussy's notes transcend the page - they do.@outin - troll?? that's not nice.
I'm not in the business of being nice
Just learn it perfectly both ways. The play it the teacher's way for evaluation and move on. Play it your way on your own for you. I fail to see the issue, just do them both and be done with it.
You want to watch that. You're liable to get a reputation for being difficult!
Just dropped off the face of the earth for a few days for midterms..... but generally speaking were I to audition with this piece I would play it however I thought it should be played. While I will hopefully have grown in the coming years, I see no point in modifying my playing in an audition because if I have to do that to get in, I'll have to struggle with it for the entirety of my time at that school. If a school would reject me for not playing within a specific paradigm for a piece then one of two things is happening. Either the school is not a good fit for me or I'm not at a level to pursue music in such a way, and in either case, it's probably for the best that I don't go to that school.
, I see no point in modifying my playing in an audition because if I have to do that to get in, I'll have to struggle with it for the entirety of my time at that school. If a school would reject me for not playing within a specific paradigm for a piece then one of two things is happening. Either the school is not a good fit for me or I'm not at a level to pursue music in such a way, and in either case, it's probably for the best that I don't go to that school.
I guess it all depends on how I'm convinced is the best way to play the piece, this I'm sure will change as I grow and become more aware to sound. Generally speaking, I play piano because I find fulfillment in it and in the process of creating sound. I'm flexible to try different ways of looking at the piece and after my most recent lesson, found that my teacher is open to it as well. think that third recording with the unorthodox pausing in it has my teacher thinking quite fondly of my approach by comparison. As far as a career is concerned, I don't know what that really entails for piano. I enjoy working through the different ways to play a piece,:) P.S anyone who has any advice about career pianists, do tell
As a pro part of my job is to play it the way I am getting paid to play it.. when I get home I play it however I want.
I would often say to obey your teacher but this situation described is different. It is a pretty clear cut interpretation which has been written about exhaustively really. Unless the op has mistaken their teachers intentions I really don't think that they should obey the teacher in this case and the interpretation is not so wild that it would cause an upheaval! Personally I would run away from a music school that would chastise you over this little interpretation issue or get another teacher!