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Topic: Question about Schubert Sonata d.960  (Read 2397 times)

Offline mishamalchik

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Question about Schubert Sonata d.960
on: February 16, 2017, 05:43:29 AM
So I'm (pending teacher approval) working on Schubert sonata d.960, and I checked out an edition in the student music library. This edition states the following:

"The present edition of Schubert's Sonata in B flat has been undertaken in the belief that this work, which has practically been laid aside by pianists owing to its excessive length and needless repetitions, will be greatly improved by the cuts which have been freely made"

This is pretty strange right? It seems almost offensive to do this to poor Schubert! Just curious about opinions on this piece, and on cutting it, as while I wouldn't say it's "excessively" long, it is certainly lengthy, though genuinely wonderful!

On a side note, I'm very curious to see how my teacher will react to this edition :) Gotta play off of something while the urtext ships !

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Re: Question about Schubert Sonata d.960
Reply #1 on: February 16, 2017, 11:40:03 AM
Ahhhhh! No, don't let them cut up that beautiful sonata. You can get the full, un-tampered-with version at IMSLP.

Offline mishamalchik

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Re: Question about Schubert Sonata d.960
Reply #2 on: February 16, 2017, 01:41:15 PM
I have the Barenreiter edition coming in the mail but I'll bring this to my next lesson just to tease my teacher a bit :) (It's an edition I'm certain he will have strong feelings against) It's a very complete piece in my mind, and all 40-45 minutes of it are pertinent

Offline preludetr

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Re: Question about Schubert Sonata d.960
Reply #3 on: February 16, 2017, 07:07:02 PM
Trying to learn this piece after a few months of playing is an even more egregious offense than cutting parts of it.

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Re: Question about Schubert Sonata d.960
Reply #4 on: February 17, 2017, 04:55:39 AM
Not at all relevant to the question at hand. My teacher told me to choose a Sonata. In the running at his suggestion were Beethoven sonatas more technically complex than the Schubert (though shorter). My teacher is an instructor at an Ivy league school. He has decades of teaching and performing experience. If he believes I am capable of playing such pieces as Beethoven Op 26 or op 31 no 2, then I trust him 110%. If he allows me to play this piece, then I know that I can play it quite well. It's really quite rude to call the good judgment of my teacher, and my playing ability into question. Particularly given that you have heard, at most, a single recording of my playing on a piece that is still in progress.

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Re: Question about Schubert Sonata d.960
Reply #5 on: March 02, 2017, 03:30:52 AM
Out of curiosity, what is the name of the edition of which you speak?  I've never understood that Sonata to be set by the wayside...if anything, it seems to be regarded as one of Schubert's great masterpieces for the piano, and one that any self-respecting concert pianist should work on at some point in their career.  

Also...from personal experience, if your teacher is recommending pieces like the Tempest Sonata to you, I'd suggest holding off on this particular Schubert work for now.  Even though it's not particularly virtuosic, it takes a very, very high level of playing to really shine light into its depths (much like Beethoven 109, for example).  Just wanted to mention this, as someone who's slaved over it for years while other, more traditionally difficult pieces have come and gone.   :) Work your way up!  One of his earlier sonatas would do wonderfully, I'm sure.

*EDIT: I haven't given a listen to your playing, so for all I know you could have the chops to make it work.  I guess I'm just saying that this piece would be a pretty major endeavor, and so just know what you're getting into.   :)
In between music degrees...waiting to see what the future brings!

Offline huaidongxi

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Re: Question about Schubert Sonata d.960
Reply #6 on: March 02, 2017, 10:40:30 PM
in re. to the edition from the school library, quoted by the o.p., which apparently deleted sections of the composition with the notion that the sonata was 'laid aside' due to 'excessive length and repetitions' -- the publication date and name of publisher was not given.  many pieces we take for granted as essential to the piano repertoire have been out of fashion or rarely performed at various times in their histories.  and don't forget what the formerly deified (at least in the u.s., though he's from Canada obviously; he did wonders for his record company) G.Gould said about Schubert and the repetitions, which he modified after hearing Richter.
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