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Topic: mozart concerto 467 and 545  (Read 1701 times)

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mozart concerto 467 and 545
on: January 12, 2005, 11:27:09 PM
This message is to anyone who has played both of these or at least played one and looked at the other.  Can you tell me how they are similar and different.  i am thinking of this as a topic for a paper in my late 18th and early 19th century music history class.  I have to go buy the scores, as i haven't played any piano concertos except for recently sightreading a beethoven concerto and playing a prokofiev concerto (1st i think) many years ago.
do you know why benches fall apart?  it is because they have lids with little tiny hinges so you can store music inside them.  hint:  buy a bench that does not hinge.  buy it for sturdiness.

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Re: mozart concerto 467 and 545
Reply #1 on: January 13, 2005, 12:04:42 AM
dear all,

in researching my paper tonight i looked up "mike may the golden section" on the internet.  He has written the article "Did Mozart Use the Golden Section?"  He goes on to explain the golden section:

To describe the golden section, imagine a line that is one unit long.  Then divide the line in two unequal segments, such that the shorter one equals x, the longer one equals (1-x) and the ratio of the shorter segment to the longer one equals the ratio of the longer segment to the overall line; that is x/(1-x)=(1-x)/1.  That equality leads to a quadratic equation that can be used to solve for x, and substituting that value back into the equality yields a common ratio of approx. .618
That value, as many of you already know, has been given many names, including the golden mean.

Now, if i do a paper on Mozart concertos, how can i start talking a bit about the idea he brings up about Putz using math to figure out how Mozart probably used a bit of math to figure his sonata-form movements:  ie two parts   Exposition/ Development and Recapitulation.  Specifically the two mentioned above.
do you know why benches fall apart?  it is because they have lids with little tiny hinges so you can store music inside them.  hint:  buy a bench that does not hinge.  buy it for sturdiness.

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Re: mozart concerto 467 and 595
Reply #2 on: January 13, 2005, 12:29:49 AM
sorry. the last concerto is k 595.  who are some good interpreters of the authentic scores.  badura-skoda is viennese, right?  where can i look at some authentic scores?
do you know why benches fall apart?  it is because they have lids with little tiny hinges so you can store music inside them.  hint:  buy a bench that does not hinge.  buy it for sturdiness.

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Re: mozart concerto 467 and 595
Reply #3 on: January 16, 2005, 02:25:21 PM
You know, nothing comes for free on this forum, does it?  Of course, now I know (my stupid typo) not to phrase the question wrong.  Should I retype the question, or wait for someone to tell me the 545 is the C major sonata?

Oh well.  Guess what?  I found a site that most of you probably already know about.  openmozart.net     There's a forum there for mozart fans, and you can ask anything.  whatever isn't answered, you can ask Christophe Thiebaud (is he a relative of Jaques?)  Anyway, I just sent an e-mail (his e-mail is at the bottom of the forum  on a line that says "if you want to contact me click "me").  I am a nut, and being curious, i try to get people (such as yourselves) to volunteer information so i can study it further in the right direction.  (and not get lost in the forest)  Hoping that at least one of you replys and also Christophe.

I did find out from questions on the forum that the cadenza for #21 was either not written out (since Mozart played it), or lost.  People really read Mozart correspondence to try to figure out these things.  Wish the 595 had orignal autograph (lost during or after WWII)  I asked Christophe if he knew of the closest thing to the autograph version and where it is located.  If he is anything like what my husband is with computers, I'll have a gold mine for a start.
do you know why benches fall apart?  it is because they have lids with little tiny hinges so you can store music inside them.  hint:  buy a bench that does not hinge.  buy it for sturdiness.
 

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