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expressman70

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What to learn after Prokofiev sonata 3

on: March 07, 2017, 02:25:17 PM

What would be a good step forward after tackling 3rd prokofievs sonata? I don't want to play visions fugitifs or pieces op12 I believe. Please give me suggestions of relatively little more harder works I should consider.

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visitor

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Re: What to learn after Prokofiev sonata 3

Reply #1 on: March 07, 2017, 07:19:58 PM

what about his arrangement/fantasia of a Korsakov work?

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afarmboysforte

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Re: What to learn after Prokofiev sonata 3

Reply #2 on: March 13, 2017, 04:57:37 PM

If you want to tackle another Prok sonata, look into the 2nd sonata. It's not the same as later Prokofiev pieces, but it still is a great example of prokofiev. (I love the finale.) The 4th is okay, but I prefer the 2nd.

A short, but very fun piece to listen to is the Op. 4 No. 4 "Suggestion Diabolique". I don't know if it's hard enough as you're wanting, but it is a great crowd pleaser, unbeatable as an encore-type piece. Reading through it is a joy.

I'm kinda hesitant to mention this, because it is such a big jump up from the 3rd sonata, but maybe the toccata?

The Op. 75 Romeo and Juliet suite might be a good one, but it probably isn't the type of prokofiev you're looking for.

I also second visitors suggestion of his Scheherazade Fantasia. There are a lot of prok pieces that I believe don't get put into programs as much as they should be!

Hope I helped

~The Farmboy

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chopinawesome

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Re: What to learn after Prokofiev sonata 3

Reply #3 on: March 15, 2017, 02:26:47 AM

IMO, diabolical suggestion is about the same level as sonata op.28. Toccata is harder. Why no the Sarcasms? They are pretty interesting.

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Beethoven Op 2/2
Chopin Op 20, maybe op 47/38
Debussy Etude 7
Grieg Op 16
Want to do:
Chopin Concerti 1 and 2
Beethoven Waldstein
Ravel Miroirs

afarmboysforte

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Re: What to learn after Prokofiev sonata 3

Reply #4 on: March 15, 2017, 02:23:33 PM

Quote from: chopinawesome on March 15, 2017, 02:26:47 AM

IMO, diabolical suggestion is about the same level as sonata op.28. Toccata is harder. Why no the Sarcasms? They are pretty interesting.

Really? Prok 3 the same as the suggestions? I agree with you about the toccata (I just couldn't help mentioning it

) but I find the Diabolical suggestions to be quite a bit easier that the 3rd sonata. Of course, I never truly practiced and learned either of them; I just sort of toyed with each of these pieces as a break sometimes...

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invictious

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Re: What to learn after Prokofiev sonata 3

Reply #5 on: March 15, 2017, 05:18:25 PM

Quote from: visitor on March 07, 2017, 07:19:58 PM

what about his arrangement/fantasia of a Korsakov work?

Anyone have the sheets to this? I look high and low, left and right, all to no avail!

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Bach - Partita No.2
Scriabin - Etude 8/12
Debussy - L'isle Joyeuse
Liszt - Un Sospiro

Goal:
Prokofiev - Toccata

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chopinawesome

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Re: What to learn after Prokofiev sonata 3

Reply #6 on: March 16, 2017, 12:40:51 AM

Quote from: afarmboysforte on March 15, 2017, 02:23:33 PM

Really? Prok 3 the same as the suggestions? I agree with you about the toccata (I just couldn't help mentioning it ) but I find the Diabolical suggestions to be quite a bit easier that the 3rd sonata. Of course, I never truly practiced and learned either of them; I just sort of toyed with each of these pieces as a break sometimes...

I have played both and both are great works. Sonata no.3 may be a bit harder, but they are about the same for me. I haven't played Toccata yet though.

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Beethoven Op 2/2
Chopin Op 20, maybe op 47/38
Debussy Etude 7
Grieg Op 16
Want to do:
Chopin Concerti 1 and 2
Beethoven Waldstein
Ravel Miroirs

expressman70

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Re: What to learn after Prokofiev sonata 3

Reply #7 on: March 17, 2017, 04:10:59 PM

Quote from: afarmboysforte on March 13, 2017, 04:57:37 PM

If you want to tackle another Prok sonata, look into the 2nd sonata. It's not the same as later Prokofiev pieces, but it still is a great example of prokofiev. (I love the finale.) The 4th is okay, but I prefer the 2nd.

A short, but very fun piece to listen to is the Op. 4 No. 4 "Suggestion Diabolique". I don't know if it's hard enough as you're wanting, but it is a great crowd pleaser, unbeatable as an encore-type piece. Reading through it is a joy.

I'm kinda hesitant to mention this, because it is such a big jump up from the 3rd sonata, but maybe the toccata?

The Op. 75 Romeo and Juliet suite might be a good one, but it probably isn't the type of prokofiev you're looking for.

I also second visitors suggestion of his Scheherazade Fantasia. There are a lot of prok pieces that I believe don't get put into programs as much as they should be!

Hope I helped
~The Farmboy

Thanks!

I was also thinking 2nd sonata, 4th or 5th. I don't think I would want the toccata at the moment and neither the suggestions lol. Could you comment on differences of those 3 sonatas I mentioned here?

Thank you again for your contribution to my education

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afarmboysforte

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Re: What to learn after Prokofiev sonata 3

Reply #8 on: March 17, 2017, 05:21:44 PM

Quote from: expressman70 on March 17, 2017, 04:10:59 PM

Thanks!

I was also thinking 2nd sonata, 4th or 5th. I don't think I would want the toccata at the moment and neither the suggestions lol. Could you comment on differences of those 3 sonatas I mentioned here?

Thank you again for your contribution to my education

No problem! Glad I helped!

The 2nd sonata is my favorite out of the three, but you can't really go wrong with any of these sonatas. (The complete prok sonatas are on my bucket list to learn...) The 2nd is the least adventurous in the harmonic regard, and really exhibits that signature neo-classical of prokofiev in some of his works. It also exhibits a lot of different characters.

The 4th sonata is a little bit more like the prokofiev that comes later, with more kinds of harmonic experiments. I really like this sonata; it's so grand. You can still hear the references that prokofiev makes the classical era, with its lilting minuet-like rhythm.

The 5th sonata is the sonata composed while the composer was outside of russia. He really starts experimenting harmonies and utilizes other devices like bitonality and such. Definitely the most mature out of the bunch.

I would probably rank them with the 2nd being most difficult, with the 4th and fifth being around the same to each other (depends on who you ask. maybe the fifth is a little more difficult...). Of course, this is just my opinion, and I'm sure many others have differing thoughts

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I would suggest you listen to the short little videos that Bronfman made for Carnegie where he talks about all of the sonatas. Here is the link to the 2nd sonata, and you can navigate to the other sonatas at the bottom of the page: https://www.carnegiehall.org/bronfman/sonata2/

~The Farmboy

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orangesodaking

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Re: What to learn after Prokofiev sonata 3

Reply #9 on: March 31, 2017, 05:09:43 PM

More Prokofiev? 1, 2, 7, and 8 are all great.

Different composer? Scriabin 2, 5, and 9 are awesome. Ginastera 1st sonata, Aaron Copland Variations or Sonata... these are just a few.

Or you could explore Marc-André Hamelin! I really enjoy his compositions. If you can handle Prok 3, you could handle some of the etudes, such as Erlkönig or Minuetto (if you have bigger hands). Also look into the Pavane Varriée, Barcarolle, or Paganini Variations.

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canada100

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Re: What to learn after Prokofiev sonata 3

Reply #10 on: May 03, 2017, 07:36:32 AM

Studied Prok Sonata 1 several years after studying Prok Sonata 3........

The big question is, what would YOU like to learn? There's literally a WEALTH of MUSIC for the piano world....not just WEALTH.....make it a LIFETIME's worth! (LOL!)

More Prokofiev? Try ANY of his Sonatas! (I love 6, 7, 8, the War Sonatas)

A Prokofiev Concerto would always be nice!!!!!

Basically, anything you'd like!!!!!

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