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Offline ca88313

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on: April 22, 2017, 03:19:03 PM
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Offline hfmadopter

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Re: How do YOU play the piano?
Reply #1 on: April 22, 2017, 05:15:05 PM
To me striving to have a dead pan expression would be as distractedly bad as striving to make facial expressions. Either takes away from mental energy that could go into performing. I feel I  should have no interest while playing as to what I look like. Fortunately I don't think I do anything too weird anyway, except to shut my eyes in sections I really love, just peaking for larger hand movements. When I shut my eyes where it's possible to do that, I can really push my emotion and the pulse of the music out my hands.
Depressing the pedal on an out of tune acoustic piano and playing does not result in tonal color control or add interest, it's called obnoxious.

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Re: How do YOU play the piano?
Reply #2 on: April 22, 2017, 05:18:34 PM
I do whatever I feel like lol
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Re: How do YOU play the piano?
Reply #3 on: April 22, 2017, 05:29:24 PM
Just because you strive to look like a "serious classical musician" doesn't make you a better artist and/or player. Daniil Trifonov's facial expressions are absolutely ridiculous and borderline retarded, but he is no doubt one of the best young performing artists out there. I will never understand why people use presentation as a metric for the quality of playing.

I'm just a hobbyist, so naturally I follow Rach4ever's line of thought: I do whatever I want. It's liberating actually.

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Re: How do YOU play the piano?
Reply #4 on: April 23, 2017, 03:43:40 AM
I focus on saying what I want to say, as simply as I want to say it. No strings or pretense, just saying what I want to. If that involves a few facial expressions here and there, I just want to get my pieces to the point where I can speak from the heart. Often I look back at a performance and evaluate how accurate my message was--often I'm unsatisfied, but on occasion I find I said and did what I wanted. This is what the greats where known for, what made Rubenstein's and Horowitz's playing so amazing. That's what I want to do as a musician.
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Re: How do YOU play the piano?
Reply #5 on: April 25, 2017, 11:05:35 PM
I strive to avoid making exaggerated facial expressions, looking at the ceiling and being flamboyant when I play the piano. Additionally, I concentrate completely on the sound that is produced by the piano and I do not play the piano mechanically. I simultaneously focus on tempo, phrasing, dynamics and pedalling throughout my performances. This allows me to channel my emotions through the sound that I produce instead of channelling them through the appearance of my performances. In summary, I strive to avoid all forms of exaggeration during my performances. In my opinion, this is the best way to achieve the highest standard of artistic merit.
Your question being: how do you play the piano? My answer is, per your delineation: I play the same way, as did all of the pianists of the 19th century, as well as most of  those in the early 20th century.

Like the OP, I am too busy trying to focus on the particular musicality of a piece (solo or with orchestra) than to worry about the sexual nature of my performance.  And, that is what we are talking about here.

Just like some rock star, with their "Cod Piece" to turn on the female members of their audience, classical pianists have long before them catered to the female members of their audience.

Oh gosh, did Lang Lang send out a promotional picture a few years ago showing him dressed in a black leather suit, which was photo shopped to accentuate a rendering of his genitals?  Oh, yes he did!

In regards the music critics who encourage/foment this nonsense, I proffer the following personal experience:  In the 1980's, I "Ghosted" a review of a recital performance of an upcoming Concert Pianist.

The first half of his performance was poetic, and truly beyond his young 25 years.  Then, in the second half of the program, it was all bombastic.  It was a totally different pianist, and please remember that this was an audience of Music Majors at an accredited University School.

Adding insult to injury, when he came out for his encore, he returned to his original first half persona, and then played a beautiful Scarlatti Sonata. And in case anyone is wondering, I ripped his head off for "playing down" to his "Music Major" audience.

His initials are YB, and trust me, he will never forget the title of the review "The Banging of Keys" (not my Byline).

Therefore, per the OP, please remember that Claudio Arrau made a very long career out of being true to the music, as well as himself.  And, based on the lack of commercial success of the world's great conservatory trained artists,  I would strongly recommend the OP's approach.

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Re: How do YOU play the piano?
Reply #6 on: April 25, 2017, 11:43:33 PM
i really don't make facial expressions and do nothing  for the  sake of  'flamboyance'.   That being said, I naturally move quite a great deal when I play.....  and my teacher has worked with me for two years to eliminate almost all body movement.   She finds it distracting; but I find that worrying about removing movement takes away my concentration from the music.

I have yet to reach a decision about whether what I do naturally is an annoyance to others.

Offline rachmaninoff_forever

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Re: How do YOU play the piano?
Reply #7 on: April 26, 2017, 01:06:09 AM

Just like some rock star, with their "Cod Piece" to turn on the female members of their audience, classical pianists have long before them catered to the female members of their audience.

Oh gosh, did Lang Lang send out a promotional picture a few years ago showing him dressed in a black leather suit, which was photo shopped to accentuate a rendering of his genitals?  Oh, yes he did!


What's wrong with that?  It gets people to show up to their concerts and it has nothing to do with the way they play then good for them!  I advertised my graduating recital with a picture of me shirtless wearing a blazer and I had a lot of people I didn't personally invite to come and see me play lol.
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Re: How do YOU play the piano?
Reply #8 on: April 26, 2017, 03:47:39 AM
i really don't make facial expressions and do nothing  for the  sake of  'flamboyance'.   That being said, I naturally move quite a great deal when I play.....  and my teacher has worked with me for two years to eliminate almost all body movement.   She finds it distracting; but I find that worrying about removing movement takes away my concentration from the music.

I have yet to reach a decision about whether what I do naturally is an annoyance to others.

I have exactly the same problem! I think in the beginning my teacher was right to address my issue with too much body movement because it did affect my playing. Now she does not really say anything anymore but I'm already conscious about it and I too seem to concentrate better when moving freely. It does look silly though. When I make videos the ones that sound better are the ones that look bad...good that I am not a performer...

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Re: How do YOU play the piano?
Reply #9 on: April 26, 2017, 04:33:58 AM
As I rarely perform my appearance does not matter, so I give it little thought. The occasional videos I have made of my playing reveal a healthy and unremarkable posture, a moderate amount of movement, very little facial expression and nothing grotesque in technique. So all in all, the less I think about it the better.
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Re: How do YOU play the piano?
Reply #10 on: April 26, 2017, 05:11:39 AM
When we are concentrating too hard on  the phrasing ,  dynamics , pedalling etc..   we tend to unconsciously make bodily or  facial expressions, like  mouth dropping open,  or head slightly nodding in time to music,  or body swaying too much.   I have to check myself from  getting into these kind of habits.   ;)
 





An additional thought,  if anyone looked at the audience like this while playing,  it would be spooky.    ;D

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Re: How do YOU play the piano?
Reply #11 on: April 26, 2017, 05:19:31 AM
double posted error.

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Reply #12 on: April 26, 2017, 05:18:36 PM
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Reply #13 on: April 26, 2017, 05:36:30 PM
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Re: How do YOU play the piano?
Reply #14 on: April 26, 2017, 06:22:59 PM
Some pieces actually force the pianist to move a lot such as Franz Liszt's Un Sospiro. The pianist must play the melody with alternating hands. Furthermore, there are many widely spaced arpeggio passages which require both hands to leap across the piano. This piece requires a lot of agility and sitting still whilst playing this piece is not practical. Efficiency, concentration and agility are the three key elements that are compulsory for playing this piece properly. The following video sums up everything I have said in this paragraph:



Subtle facial expressions are completely fine. They are unavoidable because we are humans and not robots. I mentioned that I do not exaggerate my facial expressions or attempt to showcase my technical facility. I use my technical facility, which still needs to be improved enormously, to the best of my ability to produce the sound that I want to produce instead.

Absolutely, there are some scores that require pianist movement.  I am not discussing that in my reply but rather spontaneous body movements not required by the score.  My teacher is adamently opposed to those, even though they are natural (not affected) by me.  To control the spontaneous movement takes concentration which is a diversion from the natural concentrtion that playing requires.

I have played for other highly educated pianists who do not see a problem with what I do--  so I'm not sure yet how much movement i need to control by thinking 'don't move' .   I agree with Outo,  I don't think I play as well without the natural movement.

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Reply #15 on: April 26, 2017, 06:54:32 PM
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Re: How do YOU play the piano?
Reply #16 on: April 26, 2017, 07:19:58 PM
You have just enlightened me with your response to my post. Playing the piano naturally without trying to exaggerate anything is at the core of the message I am trying to convey in my original post:



Sorry, but I don't find that this addresses both the issue with Outo and myself: our movements, if left without interference,  are natural and non-affected.  However, we have been told by instructors that they are excessive.  So,  asked another way:   'When does natural become excessive,.....or does it?' To control those movements is artifical and non-natural (for us) 

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Reply #17 on: April 26, 2017, 07:35:52 PM
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Re: How do YOU play the piano?
Reply #18 on: April 26, 2017, 07:44:23 PM
Your question being: how do you play the piano? My answer is, per your delineation: I play the same way, as did all of the pianists of the 19th century, as well as most of  those in the early 20th century.

And you didn't see this obvious opening to shoehorn in your rolling-chords video? (which has OVER SIX THOUSAND VIEWS)

Like the OP, I am too busy trying to focus on the particular musicality of a piece (solo or with orchestra) than to worry about the sexual nature of my performance.  And, that is what we are talking about here.

I fail to see where this line of thought was either explicitly mentioned or implied in the OP.

Just like some rock star, with their "Cod Piece" to turn on the female members of their audience, classical pianists have long before them catered to the female members of their audience.

Uhhhh....wat

Oh gosh, did Lang Lang send out a promotional picture a few years ago showing him dressed in a black leather suit, which was photo shopped to accentuate a rendering of his genitals?  Oh, yes he did!

Absolutely demanding a reputable source for this claim. Which in typical Louis fashion, you will have none.

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Reply #19 on: April 26, 2017, 08:26:18 PM
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Offline chopinlover01

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Re: How do YOU play the piano?
Reply #20 on: April 26, 2017, 11:34:20 PM
With my entire body.

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Re: How do YOU play the piano?
Reply #21 on: April 30, 2017, 09:30:16 AM
The so-called "stoics" you refer to show a complete lack of understanding of the process.  If you find yourself making or wanting to make grand facial expressions, a kiss is just a kiss you know, and those faces have no purpose when you are immersed in the process of creating music?  Do you go through these raptures when you are grieving at a funeral?  Or when watching an emotional movie? 

But then it's all show business and a faked orgasm will take you far in most cases.
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