I cannot play this up to speed due to lack of stamina/tension/weakness/perhaps wrong technique.
oh ok. well then my technique is gross. Question. Do pianists with superior technique experience tension? It seems tension can only decrease but never completely go away.
I have spoken to my piano teacher who has performed all opus 25 etudes before in one performance, and she said that "completely no tension" is a lie. Obviously tension will build up even with great technique especially if you're trying to play louder dynamics, and people who say otherwise are lying to others to make their accomplishments seem even greater than they are, or are victims of this lie.
Of course, attaining this level of mastery over suppleness is incredibly hard, because it essentially requires perfect freedom in the entire body, from the feet, to the hips, to the shoulders, to the neck. And perhaps no adult playing the piano is perfect in this sense, but not striving for it due to having the mindset of "tension builds up, it's inevitable" helps no-one. The quest should be for attaining perfect suppleness in the wrist at all times.
I have never understood the whole, hips and shoulders and weird wrist alignments and weird everything that is taught with technique.. I just don't see it. But its been a good 7 years since I last received instruction. I was young. But I guess 8 year olds are doing so maybe that's not an excuse. is it me? Am I the one who is destroying piano technique?
oh.. so you lied to me. So realistically, the superior technicians still experience some tension. guess magic isn't real. I do not believe anymore, now all the realms of story will be destroyed forever, and I have burned the book of fairy tales in front of the dark fairy(OUAT)
No, I agree with you. I think people tend to conflate ergonomic playing with raw mechanical ability when discussing technique. Sure, ergonomic playing is important, especially as one gets older, but it's not the same ting. If you want to play faster scales, adjusting your chair and thiking about your hip isn't going to help you at all haha.
I've talked to some extremely high level classical pianists about the no-tension thing, and they pretty much say the same thing as this post.
I think you missed my point. I can sit on the floor, with the worst possible posture imaginable, lift my hand over my head, and play a 5-finger scale (CDEFGFEDC etc.) at 200 bpm. Why can't a beginner do that?
I'm not sure what your point is. Or at least I don't understand. Care to clarify?
How many pieces are a 5 finger scale like that anyways?
Let's say we take that five finger scale and make it into a normal ascending c-major scale, but with the fingering 12345 12345 12345 12345 12345, for six octaves, prestissimo. Would that be easy for you with terrible posture and shoulders locked?
My point was merely that there is more to playing than posture and relaxation. You need to develop fingers and reflexes. Here's another example (I've timestamped the video):
That's a pretty suboptimal posture.
Yes, I lied to you with malicious intent.Just joking . Realistically we all experience the occasional sensation of anxiety, get self conscious for a second on stage, have an "oh sh*t, where am I supposed to go next" moment, or just a small fumble of some kind, which results in the tightening of some muscles or whatnot. The difference is that with a refined technique you strive back to the freedom and suppleness of everything, learn to release these things as they happen, instead of letting "tension build up as you play"If you are locked around your hips, then yes it does.
getting tense from make a mistake has nothing to do with this. starting with "the difference is that with a refined technique...etc" I really have no idea what you are saying.
also, how do you lock your hips? What the f*ck does that even mean? it just makes me frustrated.
Perhaps I was unclear again. Tense all muscles that attach to your hips and your hips will be locked in place and hard/harder to move, compared to if those muscles were released and supple. Having the muscles that go from your hips to your torso/shoulders tensed will restrict and reduce control over the movements of the arms in various ways.
So the point is pianists DO experience tension, but they strive to play without tension...
which is common sense, and what I have been thinking this whole time and I do not know why you tried to give the impression that pianists do not experience tension.
anyway, my teacher in the past showed me a muscle in the hand that will develop with technique. so obviously it has something to do with weakness of muscles.