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Offline hovva

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Tension in the Pathetique
« on: May 26, 2017, 05:52:16 PM »
Hello all
I've been learning the first movement of Beethoven's Pathetique sonata, and I'm having issueson this one passage (bars 89-113 found from 3:11 to 3:30 in this video
&t=582s ). My issue is found in the right hand. I started by blocking the chords and playing them until I had a good feel of the handfuls at full tempo. As soon as I un-block them and play the passage as it's written, my right and left hands aren't in sync and it feels like two people are playing tug-of-war with the upper part of my right forearm. I can play in sync with a slower tempo, but the tension in my right forearm is almost always there (just to a lesser degree). I'd appreciate any advice.

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Re: Tension in the Pathetique
«Reply #1 on: May 27, 2017, 02:29:23 PM »
Is it a tension that leads to pain, soreness, or discomfort?
Clementi, Piano Sonata in G Minor, No. 3, op. 10
W. A. Mozart, Sonata for Piano Four-Hands in F Major, K. 497
Beethoven, Piano Concerto, No. 2, op. 19

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Re: Tension in the Pathetique
«Reply #2 on: May 27, 2017, 02:45:35 PM »
Is it a tension that leads to pain, soreness, or discomfort?

I wouldn't say it's painful. It's the type of tension one would get from lifting weights. I don't feel the tension in everyday life either, only in this specific passage of this specific piece.

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Re: Tension in the Pathetique
«Reply #3 on: May 27, 2017, 04:52:08 PM »
I wouldn't say it's painful. It's the type of tension one would get from lifting weights. I don't feel the tension in everyday life either, only in this specific passage of this specific piece.

I'd go to a teacher with this . . . you shouldn't be feeling this, and if you continue it may lead to something more painful. Just have a check in with someone who can listen to you and watch what you're doing in person, OK?

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Re: Tension in the Pathetique
«Reply #4 on: May 28, 2017, 12:51:37 AM »
Although I generally don't have the time to practice enough to compare with other great players, as a student of the Taubman Approach, I would definitely recommend taking a look at it. Ilya Itin, a phenomenal concert pianist, swears by it because it solved his limitations. At this point in your studies it probably won't seem worth it, but if this issue starts to recur again and again in other passages, you might find taking a look at the Taubman Approach worthwhile.
Clementi, Piano Sonata in G Minor, No. 3, op. 10
W. A. Mozart, Sonata for Piano Four-Hands in F Major, K. 497
Beethoven, Piano Concerto, No. 2, op. 19

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Re: Tension in the Pathetique
«Reply #5 on: May 28, 2017, 10:23:28 AM »
Are all your fingers active and are your arms relaxed and supple? Do your thumbs seem to be stiff or are they moving independently?