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New Piano Piece by Brahms Discovered in $158,500 Album - Free Piano Score

A piano score of the recently discovered piano piece by Johannes Brahms, Albumblatt in A minor, has been published in an Urtext edition. Download, print and play! Read more >>

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« on: August 14, 2017, 09:31:44 PM »

Hey so as all of you probably know, this is my favorite piece EVER since I was a kid.  And I've tried learning this several times but I just gave up.  But this time I'm actually going all in!  So I thought why not post my progress.  Cause this is such a huge piece and this is gonna be a long project.  I mean my name IS Rachmaninoff_forever so...

No but yeah so I'm gonna post my progress on here and post questions on fingerings and techniques and all that stuff.

Does anyone have fingerlings for when the first piu mosso starts in the first movement?
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2017, 10:06:53 PM »

sorry bout the wide shot, i think you can zoom in tho lol.


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« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2017, 03:34:24 PM »

Thanks isryel Cool

Also could someone or you send me their picture of the third measure after rehearsal 8?  I'm pretty sure like all the notes are wrong in my edition
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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2017, 04:24:50 AM »

I'm almost done with the first movement.

I haven't hit a wall yet so haven't come across anything that seems impossible.  As of now I think the second concerto is harder.  The third concerto surprisingly fits in the hand REALLY well.  It's just A LOT of notes.  The second concerto is like 8 minutes shorter and maybe like 40% less notes but there are a few really awkward spots that even to this day I can never get used to.  The Cadenza (ossia) is EASY and a lot of fun.  The first time you start playing fast (It's like page 4 pui mosso) I think is the hardest part of the first movement so I'm doing that last.

I also learned the last tocatta like section of the second movement.  It's kinda like a baby Scarbo.  it's kinda hard but it fits in the hand so well.

But yeah dude overall the thing that makes this piece hard is that its SO MANY DAMN NOTES

Literally everything about everything about the piece is just dense
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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2017, 05:14:09 AM »

The point of posts like these is to post recordings of your practice sessions. Come on boy don't be a wimp, post those babies up.
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« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2017, 03:58:11 PM »

The point of posts like these is to post recordings of your practice sessions. Come on boy don't be a wimp, post those babies up.

Say no more

I can't practice today though cause I gotta watch my grandma tonight
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« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2017, 10:49:17 PM »

Just kidding I'm only gonna post it when I think its performance ready.

But ANYWAYS...

First movement is totally memorized and like maybe 80% up to speed.  I had a lesson with it today and I completely forgot there was an opening melody cause I've been working on everything else lol
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2017, 02:18:12 AM »

it's okay I know how you feel
I've promised a few recordings for a few pieces before and always get lazy and end up forgetting about it lol
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« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2017, 03:20:08 AM »

Also how big is the string section for the orchestra part?

Cause I'm trying to start an orchestra for it
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« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2017, 03:40:45 AM »

no idea, you're the conductor. isn't it scored for a full size orchestra?
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« Reply #10 on: October 05, 2017, 04:11:13 AM »

no idea, you're the conductor. isn't it scored for a full size orchestra?

I'm not conducting it I'm too busy plaing piano lol

yeah but what is a full size orchestra?  I found on IMSLP they list every instrument except for the string section.  It's literally, 'two flutes, two oboes blah blah blah...  and strings' 

what does 'and strings' mean?  How many oiif what dk i need/
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« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2017, 06:41:53 PM »

Teacher told me to learn the entire second movement in a week

I got two days left

I can't feel my face
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« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2017, 03:02:09 PM »

Can you clarify what your goal is? You are putting together an orchestra yourself to perform it? I doubt that is a good idea. Where are you finding all these musicians? You probably need to find an assembled orchestra with a conductor already, either a professional one or one at a music school. Convincing them to perform the concerto with you will also be a challenge.

You're probably best to find another pianist to play the orchestra part on a 2nd piano honestly, unless I'm vastly underestimating the resources and connections you have. So please correct me if I'm wrong.

Nevertheless, it's quite an ambitious goal and I applaud the dedication and wish you the best of luck! It's an amazing piece so thanks for sharing your progress.
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2017, 03:17:45 PM »

Can you clarify what your goal is? You are putting together an orchestra yourself to perform it? I doubt that is a good idea. Where are you finding all these musicians? You probably need to find an assembled orchestra with a conductor already, either a professional one or one at a music school. Convincing them to perform the concerto with you will also be a challenge.

You're probably best to find another pianist to play the orchestra part on a 2nd piano honestly, unless I'm vastly underestimating the resources and connections you have. So please correct me if I'm wrong.

Nevertheless, it's quite an ambitious goal and I applaud the dedication and wish you the best of luck! It's an amazing piece so thanks for sharing your progress.

I already found a conductor and getting the percussion and wind instruments won't be a problem but getting the strings together is gonna be tough cause I need a giant string section.  So I'll probably just have to do with a smaller amount and just tell them to play louder.

But that's the back up plan if I don't win my school concerto competition or my local orchestra won't hook me up

Besides piano accompaniment for piano concertos always suck
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« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2017, 04:03:40 PM »

Besides piano accompaniment for piano concertos always suck

Yes, I definitely agree about piano accompaniment Cheesy Are you currently in music school then? Glad to hear you have some parts of an orchestra all ready! Many of us don't have such opportunities to play with any type of orchestra for any concerti so I'm curious how you are managing it? Are you paying these other musicians?
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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2017, 06:14:21 PM »

Yes, I definitely agree about piano accompaniment Cheesy Are you currently in music school then? Glad to hear you have some parts of an orchestra all ready! Many of us don't have such opportunities to play with any type of orchestra for any concerti so I'm curious how you are managing it? Are you paying these other musicians?

Yeah I'm a first years masters student

I'm just asking people in my wind ensemble if they'd do it for free and they said yeah lol

And someone else in my studio said he's always wanted to conduct rach 3 so he's doing it for me
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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2017, 12:41:21 PM »

You need to start the thrid movement ASAP because I hear that's the hard one.
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« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2017, 03:27:58 PM »

You need to start the thrid movement ASAP because I hear that's the hard one.

Second movement done I just gotta memorize it

I plan on finishing the last movement by the new year

Also the last movement of the second concerto is the hardest movement from both concertos
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« Reply #18 on: November 03, 2017, 06:21:41 PM »

Played the first movement for studio today

HOLY sh*t it sucked

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« Reply #19 on: November 03, 2017, 09:04:44 PM »

When will get an Audition Room post with your progress?
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« Reply #20 on: November 04, 2017, 08:40:29 PM »

When will get an Audition Room post with your progress?

I'll play the first movement in studio next Friday and if it doesn't suck I'll post jt
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« Reply #21 on: November 05, 2017, 08:48:10 PM »

Post it even if you think it sucks. It is far easier to incorporate feedback while you're learning this monumental piece than it is to "finish", and then try to change.
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« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2017, 01:23:08 AM »

I'm almost done with the first movement.

I haven't hit a wall yet so haven't come across anything that seems impossible.  As of now I think the second concerto is harder.  The third concerto surprisingly fits in the hand REALLY well.  It's just A LOT of notes.  The second concerto is like 8 minutes shorter and maybe like 40% less notes but there are a few really awkward spots that even to this day I can never get used to.  The Cadenza (ossia) is EASY and a lot of fun.  The first time you start playing fast (It's like page 4 pui mosso) I think is the hardest part of the first movement so I'm doing that last.

I also learned the last tocatta like section of the second movement.  It's kinda like a baby Scarbo.  it's kinda hard but it fits in the hand so well.

But yeah dude overall the thing that makes this piece hard is that its SO MANY DAMN NOTES

Literally everything about everything about the piece is just dense

I'm struggling with getting the allegro molto in the cadenza up to speed.  Do you have any tips?  Praying Doesn't seem to be cutting it anymore ...
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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2017, 02:21:52 AM »

I'm struggling with getting the allegro molto in the cadenza up to speed.  Do you have any tips?  Praying Doesn't seem to be cutting it anymore ...

Hands separate play every chord twice and play with double dotted rhythms it comes with time

And even once you get it up to speed it's still really hard to play it accurately
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