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Topic: Two small questions/polls on Beethoven Op. 27no.1  (Read 1690 times)

Offline j_tour

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Two small questions/polls on Beethoven Op. 27no.1
on: August 19, 2017, 08:43:28 PM
Yeah, I'm really just curious about how other people approach the two sort of....I guess tricky, or at least "caution!" areas this great sonata.

Easily the most difficult, as a matter of geometry, in this piece is the part in the last movement (repeated twice, different keys, with slightly different variations at each).  You know the parts, when the LH pointilistically works over/under the RH sixteenth notes.  I have the advantage of using a digital piano, so not much of the fallboard gets in the way.

I find necessary in each repetition of the passage to quickly transition from LH going on top of the RH, to parts where it's much more convenient to switch to LH under the RH.  

Maybe it's just conceptually difficult, especially since it's a brisk tempo.  I've seen a version of Arrau playing, with closeups of his hands, but I can't help but think there's some kind of trick I'm missing.  

I can do it, but it's just a PITA, and I prefer to not steam-roller my way through it, but make it kind of enjoyable to play while sounding good and not dropping the tempo.
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The other is more of a poll-style query:  has anybody actually done the last bit of the scherzo from the same sonata (with the staggered eighth-notes) with perfect staccato and legato in LH/RH, respectively?  I find I need the pedal quickly at the end of each bar, but no matter what I do to preserve legato in the RH, it sounds to my ears like a funky boogie woogie.

How did you people solve this one?  Again, the notes and the speed is not an issue, it's just that it seems to really strain the abilities of the piano to make it sound as good as the concert pianists.
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Oh, while we're on the Scherzo from Op. 27/1, just a shout out to everyone who finds the "hunting/chase" interlude (the second one with the Eb7 in the LH) damned tricky to play.  The Ab section preceding it is so natural and fun, but Beethoven might have been a drummer manqué, it seems.  Well, that's not a question, just my observation.
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Re: Two small questions/polls on Beethoven Op. 27no.1
Reply #1 on: August 20, 2017, 05:27:33 AM
Oh, I just figured out the "trick" to the Eb7 bit.  I haven't tried it out yet, but it seems just think of the RH as legato, and let the LH jut do the rhythm.

That doesn't sound very helpful, but at least I can conceptualize that and I have no doubt I can play it.

BTW, great sonata, and I hope more people play it.  I read through after thirty years the Op27/2 and, excuse me for saying, but it is not something an adult should be playing, except as a fun exercise.
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