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Topic: Chopin Impromptu #1 similarity to Concerto??  (Read 1912 times)

Offline scriabinophile

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Chopin Impromptu #1 similarity to Concerto??
on: October 01, 2017, 10:58:24 PM
There is a short section in Chopin's First Impromptu (measures 51-52) that reminds me of something else, possibly one of the Chopin Concertos.

Does anyone know where else Chopin may have used this same theme?
(see marked section in following JPG image)

I've hunted online and also checked Eleanor Bailie's book on Chopin's music, but I haven't yet found any discussion of this, so I'm beginning to wonder if I'm just imagining things...

 
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Offline chopinlover01

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Re: Chopin Impromptu #1 similarity to Concerto??
Reply #1 on: October 02, 2017, 01:32:21 AM
I'm fairly confident that that motif shows up in the F minor concerto, possibly in the 3rd movement.

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Re: Chopin Impromptu #1 similarity to Concerto??
Reply #2 on: October 02, 2017, 02:11:19 AM
It reminds me of the slow section of fantasie impromptu.

Offline mjames

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Re: Chopin Impromptu #1 similarity to Concerto??
Reply #3 on: October 02, 2017, 03:07:31 AM

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Just a typical Chopin melodic quirk...

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Re: Chopin Impromptu #1 similarity to Concerto??
Reply #4 on: October 03, 2017, 05:50:25 AM
Well, this wouldn't be the first time a theme from a smaller Chopin piece showed up in a concerto ... there are multiple connections between the f minor concerto and the c-sharp minor nocturne (Op. posthumous).
Practicing:
Bach Chromatic Fantasie and Fugue
Beethoven Sonata Op. 10 No. 1
Shostakovich Preludes Op. 34
Scriabin Etude Op. 2 No. 1
Liszt Fantasie and Fugue on BACH

Offline dogperson

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Re: Chopin Impromptu #1 similarity to Concerto??
Reply #5 on: October 03, 2017, 06:40:57 AM
Well, this wouldn't be the first time a theme from a smaller Chopin piece showed up in a concerto ... there are multiple connections between the f minor concerto and the c-sharp minor nocturne (Op. posthumous).


Of course there are connections between the two: Chopin wrote the  nocturne  to help his sister learn to play the concerto 

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Re: Chopin Impromptu #1 similarity to Concerto??
Reply #6 on: October 03, 2017, 08:55:32 AM
I'll tell you what though, it sure didn't help me!

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Re: Chopin Impromptu #1 similarity to Concerto??
Reply #7 on: October 03, 2017, 09:14:46 PM
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I'll tell you what though, it sure didn't help me!

LOL, same!
Practicing:
Bach Chromatic Fantasie and Fugue
Beethoven Sonata Op. 10 No. 1
Shostakovich Preludes Op. 34
Scriabin Etude Op. 2 No. 1
Liszt Fantasie and Fugue on BACH
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