Chopin Ballade g minor how to play turn figure above octaves

[tinctoria88]

Are there choices on how to play the turn above octaves in middle section (modal octave scales)?  Thanks!

[preludetr]

I find it helps if I don't hold down the lower F#. Play the octave with 1-4, then lift your first finger to allow your hand to tilt a bit to execute the turn with 4-5-4. If your hands are too small to do even that comfortably, it might be okay to omit the bottom note of the first octave in the scale.

[tinctoria88]

Yes, preludetr, this is how i currently understand to  execute the turn above octave.   Thanks for your confirming this "modus operandi."  I was wondering if there are other variations.  Looking at Cortot's edition in this passage, he notates the 2-note turn before octave.
BTW, is there an English translated version of Cortot's edition of Chopin's Ballades?

[alanhchopiano]

Are there choices on how to play the turn above octaves in middle section (modal octave scales)?  Thanks!
[Can you tell me the bar number?]

[apmapmapm]

I played this many years ago when I was a teenager, so looking back at that passage it's pretty easy to see what can be done here.
My Schirmer edition contains a 3-5-4 fingering which I consider pianistically acceptable, in that it offers a smooth execution.
The problem with that fingering is that your hand span may not allow for it and you may find yourself struggling to reach the notes.
The 4-5-4 fingering is perfectly fine but no longer ideal to me - anyone who has 20+ years of piano studies will know that smoothness is obtained through good fingering.

I remember something similar, when I was much younger - a turn in one of the Chopin nocturnes.
The notes were C-C#-C-B-C-C(8va).
My poor fingering (and perfectly doable) - 2-3-2-1-2-5
Teacher's solution - 2-4-3-2-1-5

Fingering makes a huge difference.
To conclude : if you can easily play M9ths/10ths, then give the 3-5-4 fingering a try until it feels comfortable.

[pianoplayer002]

BTW, is there an English translated version of Cortot's edition of Chopin's Ballades?

Yes, I bought one online a few years ago!