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Offline patronus

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Polonaise-Fantasie: Last 2 Pages
on: May 10, 2018, 01:15:40 AM
I've been working on Chopin's Polonaise-Fantasie (Op. 61) for some time now, and something that I'm trying to solve is the last two pages. The right hand has triplets but for every triplet there is a long-short rhythm on top as well (a dotted eighth note followed by a sixteenth note). The left hand also has this long-short rhythm but in octaves. The thing is, on the Henle version, those rhythms line up, even though in technicality the sixteenth note from both the left hand and the top right hand should come just a bit after the third note of each triplet.

My question is- Should I be playing the sixteenth note a bit after the triplet or should they be together? I've listened to several recordings (including my Ashkenazy CD, Horowitz, Kissin, as well as some more modern performances) and they all seem to be playing the notes together, which seems odd to me. My Henle Polonaise book just states that the rhythm should be played at the discretion of  the performer. But I still don't know why, if those notes are meant to be played together, why add a dot to the end of the eighth note? Why not just make the other two voices triplets as well?
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Offline themeandvariation

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Re: Polonaise-Fantasie: Last 2 Pages
Reply #1 on: May 10, 2018, 01:25:35 AM
You are right, in that, Chopin would have not configured it this way had he wanted the 16th, and the triplet note together.
Sometimes an argument can be made re baroque material .. (though, even there, they say it is a 'shorthand', which doesn't make sense)…  .. but definitely not the romantic era.
Play the rhythm as Chopin wrote it… (as least at first… poetic license is something you'll have to decide)
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Re: Polonaise-Fantasie: Last 2 Pages
Reply #2 on: May 10, 2018, 01:44:32 AM
Well, here's the exact excerpt from the notes of my copy (the Polonaise book published by Henle):


"The combination of triplets and dotted rhythms in different voices raises an old problem. It is probably impossible to obtain uniformity whether in notation or in performance. At least in the music of the post-classic era, the execution should be guided by the tempo of the piece and not least the taste of the performer. The sources are highly conflicting and shed no light on this question."
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