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Come on man, don't learn it - it's overplayed! (Read 1263 times)

Offline mjames

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Come on man, don't learn it - it's overplayed!
« on: November 15, 2018, 07:01:17 PM »
Anyone else gets pissed off by this? Like I tell a buddy I'm going to learn [X overplayed piece] (rubbish term but whatever) and he's like come on don't, it's overplayed!

SO WHAT, I HAVENT LEARNED IT SO IM CANT BE TIRED OF IT.

Anyways if there's anything that deserves to be overplayed it's Bach's goldberg variations. "But the audience..."

*** the audience. Don't attend my recital then.

/rantoff
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Re: Come on man, don't learn it - it's overplayed!
«Reply #1 on: November 15, 2018, 08:54:02 PM »
this post is so overposted

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Re: Come on man, don't learn it - it's overplayed!
«Reply #2 on: November 15, 2018, 09:46:45 PM »
Für Elise! I've had so many students come to me and say "I want to learn this.", then open their book and show me Für Elise. I am sick to death of it - and I never liked it to begin with. But I have never told anyone they shouldn't learn it. It's up to individuals what they want to learn. Personally, I'm generally pretty allergic to overplayed pieces. Goldberg variations is an exception though. I never get tired of hearing that.

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Re: Come on man, don't learn it - it's overplayed!
«Reply #3 on: November 16, 2018, 05:05:05 PM »
, "And Everest is overclimbed".

(of course, this is a ridiculous reason... )
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Re: Come on man, don't learn it - it's overplayed!
«Reply #4 on: November 17, 2018, 02:23:59 AM »
There is nothing wrong with playing popular pieces. There are people out there that don't know about these popular pieces or have not seen it live in front of them. Some people think recordings are a replacement for live music which is a shame. You isolate yourself from your audience by shunning all popular pieces. If you can play popular pieces and mix them with some of your own favorites which may be lesser known you can draw in your audience and expand their own music experiences. Doing a concert full of popular pieces probably would be very popular although mostly to those who don't listen to much piano music which is the majority of society :)

As a teacher I don't mind teaching pieces over and over again because it is the challenge people have learning it that is of interest to educators.
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Re: Come on man, don't learn it - it's overplayed!
«Reply #5 on: January 27, 2019, 11:28:17 PM »
I'm thinking that if a teacher is that extremely familiar with an "overplayed" piece that he has heard "too many times", then that teacher must have a superb expertise in teaching it very well with all its in and outs.  ;D

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Re: Come on man, don't learn it - it's overplayed!
«Reply #6 on: January 28, 2019, 03:01:45 PM »
The only problem with popular pieces is that they are usually not that good. Seem most people have bad taste in music...
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Re: Come on man, don't learn it - it's overplayed!
«Reply #7 on: January 28, 2019, 03:08:30 PM »
The only problem with popular pieces is that they are usually not that good. Seem most people have bad taste in music...
give.her a medal !! dingding to the top w you
I suspect this is partially at play [at least ] with much of  the piano music of Robert  Schumann

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Re: Come on man, don't learn it - it's overplayed!
«Reply #8 on: January 28, 2019, 04:42:18 PM »
The only problem with popular pieces is that they are usually not that good. Seem most people have bad taste in music...

Bad taste is in the mouth of the beholder.

I see Bobby is  still the favorite punching bag - (i guess his promotion thru his mag of the trove of Bach music discovered need not be considered as good taste).  Writing chops and analytical skills of naysayers I'm sure are brought to bear as are in the village stoning.
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Re: Come on man, don't learn it - it's overplayed!
«Reply #9 on: February 03, 2019, 12:30:51 PM »
There's always room for a special interpretation, a creation of beauty. But if it's a commonly played piece the performance has to be all the more special.


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Re: Come on man, don't learn it - it's overplayed!
«Reply #10 on: February 03, 2019, 02:27:00 PM »
But if it's a commonly played piece the performance has to be all the more special.
hhhhhhhhh, wow so deep.    /end sarcasm
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Re: Come on man, don't learn it - it's overplayed!
«Reply #11 on: February 04, 2019, 02:14:20 AM »
There's always room for a special interpretation, a creation of beauty. But if it's a commonly played piece the performance has to be all the more special.
If we're talking about students, learning to play the piano, and wanting also to learn to play a piece they love that the teacher has heard many times before - No!    It takes years to get the skills to do that.  There is technique, musical knowledge, and more, and not everyone learning to play the piano will get there anyway. Why would you deprive a student from learning something he or she loves, based on such criteria?  And why would that even be necessary?

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Re: Come on man, don't learn it - it's overplayed!
«Reply #12 on: February 04, 2019, 12:11:28 PM »
Why would you deprive a student from learning something he or she loves, based on such criteria?  And why would that even be necessary?

I think perhaps what I've written has come over in the wrong way or perhaps I wrote with only half a mind. I agree wholly with you. It's really important for students to play what they love, and that love will lead them on and if that goes so far as to be good, then they will reach that level of which I indicate.

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Re: Come on man, don't learn it - it's overplayed!
«Reply #13 on: February 06, 2019, 12:03:47 PM »
Sounds good, David.  I was also probably grumpy.  There's so much ice on the ground that one tends to be housebound.

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Re: Come on man, don't learn it - it's overplayed!
«Reply #14 on: February 07, 2019, 11:47:24 PM »
You also have to learn them because everyone knows them.  How can you say you don't know that piece that everyone knows?
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Re: Come on man, don't learn it - it's overplayed!
«Reply #15 on: February 08, 2019, 07:52:51 PM »
You also have to learn them because everyone knows them.  How can you say you don't know that piece that everyone knows?

Why couldn't I?
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Re: Come on man, don't learn it - it's overplayed!
«Reply #16 on: February 09, 2019, 06:35:46 AM »
Anyone else gets pissed off by this? Like I tell a buddy I'm going to learn [X overplayed piece] (rubbish term but whatever) and he's like come on don't, it's overplayed!

SO WHAT, I HAVENT LEARNED IT SO IM CANT BE TIRED OF IT.

Anyways if there's anything that deserves to be overplayed it's Bach's goldberg variations. "But the audience..."

*** the audience. Don't attend my recital then.

/rantoff

You have a good point and actually the audience will be happier to recognize pieces they like and are familiar with.  Dont forget how to play Happy Birthday. The most famous piece of music. ..way overplayed