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stevieresh

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Counting double dotted notes - Old French song - Tchaikovsky

on: May 06, 2019, 07:31:37 AM

Hi all

Please see attached picture.

On the 8th bar, treble (or last bar in this picture), there is a black quarter note/crotchet with two dots. My understanding is that adding one dot would mean that the quarter/crotchet is now worth “1- e - & - a- 2.” Adding a second dot means that it is now worth “1 -e - & -a- 2 -e” (assuming that we’d count semi quavers / 16th notes 1- e -& -a)??

No dot- 1 -e- &
One dot- 1- e -&- a- 2 (half of notes value is added)
Two dots - 1- e -&- a -2-e (half of the added notes value is added- e)

But then assuming that the above is correct, how how do I count the semi quaver/ 16th note at the end of the bar? If I’d hazard a guess, it’d be like:

Double dotted quarter note/crotchet: 1 -e - & -a- 2- e
Semi quaver : &
Total - 1-e - & - a -2-e- & - no "a" on the end?

Thanks as always

-edited for clarity

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klavieronin

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Re: Counting double dotted notes - Old French song - Tchaikovsky

Reply #1 on: May 06, 2019, 08:31:25 AM

I count 16th like this; 1 - e - & - a - 2 - e - & - a

In your example;
R.H. 1 - e - & - a - 2 - e - & - a
L.H. 1 - e - & - a - 2 - e - & - a

Both combined; 1 - e - & - a - 2 - e - & - a

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stevieresh

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Re: Counting double dotted notes - Old French song - Tchaikovsky

Reply #2 on: May 06, 2019, 09:40:34 AM

Quote from: klavieronin on May 06, 2019, 08:31:25 AM

I count 16th like this; 1 - e - & - a - 2 - e - & - a

In your example;
R.H. 1 - e - & - a - 2 - e - & - a
L.H. 1 - e - & - a - 2 - e - & - a

Both combined; 1 - e - & - a - 2 - e - & - a

Hi Klavieronin

I'm assuming the underlined numbers on R.H are referring to each of the two notes - in that I'd hold the A key for "1 - e - & - a - 2 - e &" and then play the G key on the last "a" ?

To me, from what I have already said above, that does not add up correctly. From using the dotted notes logic it seems as though the A note would be played as 1 - e - & - a - 2 - e and the G note would be played on the & of two- which makes me wonder what would happen to the "a" of "2" considering there is no rest to show any thing.

I'd appreciate it if you could explain why what I said doesn't make sense.

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brogers70

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Re: Counting double dotted notes - Old French song - Tchaikovsky

Reply #3 on: May 06, 2019, 10:04:17 AM

I'd think of it this way. There are 8 16th notes in a bar here.

A quarter corresponds to 4 16ths
A dotted quarter corresponds to 6 16ths
A double dotted quarter corresponds to 7 16ths.

So the double dotted "a" takes up the first 7 16ths of the bar, leaving 1 16th (the last) on which to play the "g".

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stevieresh

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Re: Counting double dotted notes - Old French song - Tchaikovsky

Reply #4 on: May 06, 2019, 10:45:10 AM

Brogers-

Yes I see what you and Klavieronin mean now. Thanks for the perspective /explanation. I've amended what i wrote above, bellow, which makes more sense now. I was initially giving the crotchet a value of 1 - e - & rather than 1 - e - & - a which was causing the confusion down the chain.

No dot- 1 -e- & a
One dot- 1- e -&- a- 2- e (half of notes value is added)
Two dots - 1- e -&- a -2-e -& (half of the added notes value is added- e)

Cheers to you both

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