Counting double dotted notes - Old French song - Tchaikovsky

[stevieresh]

Hi all

Please see attached picture.

On the 8th bar, treble (or last bar in this picture), there is a black quarter note/crotchet with two dots. My understanding is that adding one dot would mean that the quarter/crotchet is now worth “1- e - & - a- 2.” Adding a second dot means that it is now worth “1 -e - & -a- 2 -e” (assuming that we’d count semi quavers / 16th notes 1- e -& -a)??

No dot- 1 -e- &
One dot- 1- e -&- a- 2 (half of notes value is added)
Two dots - 1- e -&- a -2-e (half of the added notes value is added- e)

But then assuming that the above is correct, how how do I count the semi quaver/ 16th note at the end of the bar? If I’d hazard a guess, it’d be like:

Double dotted quarter note/crotchet: 1 -e - & -a- 2- e
Semi quaver : &
Total - 1-e - & - a -2-e- &       - no "a" on the end?

Thanks as always

-edited for clarity

[klavieronin]

I count 16th like this; 1 - e - & - a - 2 - e - & - a

In your example;
R.H. 1 - e - & - a - 2 - e - & - a
L.H. 1 - e - & - a - 2 - e - & - a

Both combined; 1 - e - & - a - 2 - e - & - a

[stevieresh]

I count 16th like this; 1 - e - & - a - 2 - e - & - a

In your example;
R.H. 1 - e - & - a - 2 - e - & - a
L.H. 1 - e - & - a - 2 - e - & - a

Both combined; 1 - e - & - a - 2 - e - & - a

Hi Klavieronin

I'm assuming the underlined numbers on R.H are referring to each of the two notes - in that I'd hold the A key for "1 - e - & - a - 2 - e &" and then play the G key on the last "a" ?

To me, from what I have already said above, that does not add up correctly. From using the dotted notes logic it seems as though the A note would be played as 1 - e - & - a - 2 - e and the G note would be played on the & of two- which makes me wonder what would happen to the "a" of "2" considering there is no rest to show any thing.

I'd appreciate it if you could explain why what I said doesn't make sense.

[brogers70]

I'd think of it this way. There are 8 16th notes in a bar here.

A quarter corresponds to 4 16ths
A dotted quarter corresponds to 6 16ths
A double dotted quarter corresponds to 7 16ths.

So the double dotted "a" takes up the first 7 16ths of the bar, leaving 1 16th (the last) on which to play the "g".

[stevieresh]

Brogers-

Yes I see what you and Klavieronin mean now. Thanks for the perspective /explanation. I've amended what i wrote above, bellow, which makes more sense now. I was initially giving the crotchet a value of 1 - e - & rather than 1 - e - & - a which was causing the confusion down the chain.


No dot- 1 -e- & a
One dot- 1- e -&- a- 2- e (half of notes value is added)
Two dots - 1- e -&- a -2-e -& (half of the added notes value is added- e)

Cheers to you both