Beaming notes

[chris30]

Hope someone can help me. Can I beam together a
Quaver, a dotted quaver and two semi quavers in 4/4 time

[j_tour]

Hope someone can help me. Can I beam together a
Quaver, a dotted quaver and two semi quavers in 4/4 time

I don't follow at all why you'd want to do this. 

Is this for suggesting phrasing over a bar line? 

All I can say for me is if I saw this, within a single bar, I'd immediately break out the pencil and try to pencil it out in a more reasonable manner so I could read it.

I am curious, though.

What's the reason?

[chris30]

Hi
Thanks for responding my apologies, the bar consists of two groups of four quavers in the base, and for the treble a dotted crochet and a quaver over the first four quavers  and then my previous question of notes for the second set of quavers that I wanted to group together?

[j_tour]

Hi
Thanks for responding my apologies, the bar consists of two groups of four quavers in the base, and for the treble a dotted crochet and a quaver over the first four quavers  and then my previous question of notes for the second set of quavers that I wanted to group together?

All right, that makes a bit more sense. 

Obviously, as you know, you can write it this way.

But as just a humble sight-reader of music, I'd prefer it written in the simplest way so that I can work out the subdivisions myself with a pencil on the score.

I'm sure opinions will vary, but I prefer to have as minimal a score as possible, allowing me to pencil in or work out for myself what every duration is.

The flip side is on really slow movements in Bach, for example, where the current trend to typesetting is as minimal as possible, and I have no idea how it should sound until I listen to a bunch of recordings.

ETA OK, I had to write it out in pencil to see more clearly.  So, for the second group of eight-notes (quavers) providing the pulse, you want a dotted quaver followed by two semiquavers (i.e., sixteenth notes, same thing).

Yeah, if I'm understanding you correctly, that's legible, but it looks busy on the page.

I don't have an alternate suggestion right now, but, while anyone should be able to read that, it doesn't seem natural to me.  At least according to modern practices of notation.

I could be wrong.  I'm not a composer, just a regular piano player.