\"\"
Piano Forum logo

Practice session: La Campanella from start to the end continously (Read 346 times)

Offline stylerpiano

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 149
Hello there!

Today, after a week I recorded my practice session about La Campanella again. Now I try to play it continously so I play it in a slower tempo from start to the end. I think it's better and better because I can play it continously.

The hardes part for me was at 2:58 but I practiced it until I get close to it should be. I have little problem with the double hand octave chromatic scale, but I should practice it much more.



I would be grateful to read some feedback.

Btw I didn't use the recommended fingerings yet for chromatic scale.

Offline stylerpiano

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 149
So any little tip / suggestion ? Any little feedback would be appreciated :)

Offline quantum

  • PS Gold Member
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5431
Re: Practice session: La Campanella from start to the end continously
«Reply #2 on: March 25, 2020, 12:14:13 AM »
Work on phrasing and musical shaping at this current tempo.  Slow practice is not just for working on technical bits, you always need to be making music regardless of tempo. 

There is no need to drop an inactive hand below the keyboard.  When there is a moment of rest, prepare the hand for what it needs to play next.  It is an extra motion you do not need to make.  Use the time to prepare.

Work out your visual cues.  This is a piece where both hands compete for visual aid.  Most of the time the hand with smaller jumps, repetitive patterns, or scales is less in need of visual attention.  Devote your visual attention to the hand that needs it more. 
Made a Liszt. Need new Handel's for Soler panel & Alkan foil. Will Faure Stein on the way to pick up Mendels' sohn. Josquin get Wolfgangs Schu with Clara. Gone Chopin, I'll be Bach

Offline stylerpiano

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 149
Re: Practice session: La Campanella from start to the end continously
«Reply #3 on: March 25, 2020, 07:36:41 AM »
Work on phrasing and musical shaping at this current tempo.  Slow practice is not just for working on technical bits, you always need to be making music regardless or tempo. 
Ok, I will try it if I practice the piece next time. Now I will listen to other performers work again and I will try to pharse the music.

There is no need to drop an inactive hand below the keyboard.  When there is a moment of rest, prepare the hand for what it needs to play next.  It is an extra motion you do not need to make.  Use the time to prepare.

Ok, it's a very usefull advice which I will keep in my mind. I didn't recognize it, just now as I read your comment. It will help a lot if my hands don't want to do unwanted travel :)

Work out your visual cues.  This is a piece where both hands compete for visual aid.  Most of the time the hand with smaller jumps, repetitive patterns, or scales is less in need of visual attention.  Devote your visual attention to the hand that needs it more.
I only don't understand this advice or understand it less:
So you mean that I should play-act with my hands to do a little show when they require less movement or what do you mean?


Overall thank you for your feedback and useful advices and your time to write this down and listen to my video :)
Thanks again!

Offline quantum

  • PS Gold Member
  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5431
Re: Practice session: La Campanella from start to the end continously
«Reply #4 on: March 25, 2020, 09:33:11 AM »
I only don't understand this advice or understand it less:
So you mean that I should play-act with my hands to do a little show when they require less movement or what do you mean?

I'm referring to what you look at when you are playing, where your visual attention is directed.  This piece has jumps, and you use your eyes to as an aid to guide your hands where they need to go.  Sometimes the hands are separated to a degree that you can not have both hands in your central field of vision at the same time, you need to choose where to look.  In this case direct your eyes to the hand that needs it more, usually this is the one that has larger leaps. 
Made a Liszt. Need new Handel's for Soler panel & Alkan foil. Will Faure Stein on the way to pick up Mendels' sohn. Josquin get Wolfgangs Schu with Clara. Gone Chopin, I'll be Bach

Offline stylerpiano

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 149
Re: Practice session: La Campanella from start to the end continously
«Reply #5 on: March 25, 2020, 10:40:34 AM »
In this case direct your eyes to the hand that needs it more, usually this is the one that has larger leaps.

Oh, I understand now! Thank you very much! :)

Offline stylerpiano

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 149
Re: Practice session: La Campanella from start to the end continously
«Reply #6 on: March 27, 2020, 03:56:44 PM »
In this case direct your eyes to the hand that needs it more, usually this is the one that has larger leaps.

In doube hand jump section at ~5:18 where the both hands should jump together to very similar position but in reverse direction how can I direct my eyes? Or where :D Not the double jump section is the problem, reather than the finishing part which is at 5:18.

My current solution for this problem is that I exclude the view and concentrate only for the feeling of my hands. Because if I concentrate to one hand directly, the other jumps to false position :) But because of the simmetric jump it's not too hard to just coordinate my hands without depending on the view.

As you can see in the video it's not a problem in a medium or slow tempo. But if I practice it in faster tempo I sometimes jump one key less before the target with one of my hand.
So in this case are there any thechnique to inspect both hands or not?

EDIT: Now I've just recognized that sometimes I concentrate on the keys which will be pushed few seconds later and it can help me to jump on them precisely but my head turns sometimes to fast because I check the left side and the right side before I should reach the keys.



Offline brogers70

  • PS Silver Member
  • Sr. Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 965
Re: Practice session: La Campanella from start to the end continously
«Reply #7 on: March 27, 2020, 04:13:09 PM »
In similar situations, in which the hands are far apart and both want some help from the eyes, I find that looking first at one hand and then the other is fine. I don't need the eyes to watch the keys actually get depressed. It seems like the brain can hold the information about where the target is for a little while, even after you've switched to looking at the other hand.

Offline stylerpiano

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 149
Re: Practice session: La Campanella from start to the end continously
«Reply #8 on: March 27, 2020, 06:20:15 PM »
It seems like the brain can hold the information about where the target is for a little while, even after you've switched to looking at the other hand.

Yea, I experienced the same thing. It's like a software boot some information to process it later :D