flight of the bumble bee fingering

[noinimod]

i need help with the fingering.. have got a feeling i hv been practicing with the wrong fingering and hence my progression is hindered.. help is very very much appreciated
i tried searching the forum already.. but most threads gave little useful information

im using this transcription
https://home.pacific.net.sg/~spencerm/rimsky_flight.pdf
if someone has a better transcription... can u hook me up wit it please? Thanks a million
Also.. there's the part where e D chord is played followed by the As in rapid successions by the R n L hand.. issit only my piano or i cant hit e keys fast enuff?

[jlh]

I rather like the Rachmaninov transcription better.  Since the beginning in that one doesn't have the LH chords in the first few measures, you're free to play the first E with the LH and then use 4-3-2--4-3-2-1--4-3-2-1--4-3-2-1 in the RH until you get to the next E, which is played by the LH again.  You can split it up even more by taking more notes with the LH (1st and 5th notes specifically).

You might get more useful responses if you post a specific place you need fingering advice.  No one will probably post fingering for the entire piece.

For your other question... based on the information given, I'd have to say "probably yes" to both.  I don't know what your technique or abilities are and I don't know what piano you're using, but since you're having trouble, you're probably right -- I'd bet it's one of those 2 explanations. 

[noinimod]

can i hv ur version of the score please?
u can mail me @ mokishiki@gmail.com
thanks a million!

[noinimod]

i hv problems with the part starting from the 7th bar.. where it's the
E D# D C# C F E D# .. and 8th bar: E D# D C# C C# D D#
all the way to the same pattern as the 7th bar but e note is on the A...
Thanks!!!

[lostinidlewonder]

i hv problems with the part starting from the 7th bar.. where it's the
E D# D C# C F E D# .. and 8th bar: E D# D C# C C# D D#
all the way to the same pattern as the 7th bar but e note is on the A...
Thanks!!!

I'd use these fingers in RH

BAR 7
3212 1432   
BAR 8
3212 1212  (i think tempting but inferior is 3213 2312)

9,10 repeat

BAR11
3213 4321
BAR 12
2312 3432

[jlh]

can i hv ur version of the score please?
u can mail me @ mokishiki@gmail.com
thanks a million!

Unfortunately it's not scanned.  You can get it all by itself (and pretty cheap) from a music dealer.

[Nordlys]

I have tried two fingerings for this passage (bar 7 and 8 ):

32121432 14321234

Later I found this to be better (faster!), but you have to get the 4th and 5th finger to work:

54321543 54321234


By the way, this piece is a very good finger exercise.

[noinimod]

I'd use these fingers in RH

BAR 7
3212 1432   
BAR 8
3212 1212  (i think tempting but inferior is 3213 2312)

9,10 repeat

BAR11
3213 4321
BAR 12
2312 3432

i used to use that fingering
but i couldnt get e legato easily.. and my fingers were sore after a while
lOL

[lostinidlewonder]

I always aim for limited movement in the hand

3212 1432 1432 1234 - doesnt seem to work well. After the last finger, 4, how do you get back to the repeat with the same fingers? 4 then back to 3 is bad. It also has a particular movement which needs to be controlled, that is the 1432 in the 3rd group of 4 notes, and it has an unusual effect on the flow of notes i think.

5432 1543 5432 1234  - also seems inferior because of the 5th fingers movement around the place which shifts the overall shape of the hand around (1 and 5 have the most effect on hand shape so they should be avoided to move around if possible if you are playing fast sections) , this is not easy to control for me.

Why do you aim for finger legato, i think it would be useless in this case. When you practice you should be playing in the p ranges so that you develop the touch, and aim to have a slight accent for the first note of every new group of 4 notes. the speed needs to cause crisp notes, not a legato effect. That can be dabbled with later on, but aiming for legato through the fingers is suicide.

The reason behind BAR7 3212 1432   BAR 8 3212 1212 , is to keep the pattern within the 123 fingers and limiting the others. Since 123 is the strongest fingers in the hand, this group of notes should be rather confident and easy to play.

[noinimod]

i see.
den wad about the transition to the A part.. where e same pattern is played except on the A note
how do u play e fingering for the transition
cus i've been thinking no matter wad e 4th finger needs to be used
btw... i used to use 1212.. but my thumb became very sore after awhile
how do i overcome this problem

[Nordlys]

I always aim for limited movement in the hand

3212 1432 1432 1234 - doesnt seem to work well. After the last finger, 4, how do you get back to the repeat with the same fingers? 4 then back to 3 is bad. It also has a particular movement which needs to be controlled, that is the 1432 in the 3rd group of 4 notes, and it has an unusual effect on the flow of notes i think.

5432 1543 5432 1234  - also seems inferior because of the 5th fingers movement around the place which shifts the overall shape of the hand around (1 and 5 have the most effect on hand shape so they should be avoided to move around if possible if you are playing fast sections) , this is not easy to control for me.

I don't agree.
For me, the factor that limits speed is often the thumb. With your fingering (3212 1432 3212 1212) you use the thumb a lot. With 5432 1543 5432 1234, no finger is repeated immediately, and it is thus faster. You need good 4th and 5th fingers, but once you manage I think this is the best fingering.

[lostinidlewonder]

1212 is a common movement in lots of bach (one eg: Bk1 Prelude no 2), i guess thats why im partial to it. And to rely on 4th and 5th finger movements, these are not really strong fingers to be moving around. All personal of course, fingering is a unique artform for all of us.

[anda]

By the way, this piece is a very good finger exercise.

i think it's much more an wrist & rm exercise than a finger one. i mean, if you try using figer technique you will never get it anywhere near decent tempo! (imo)

[Awakening]

i think it's much more an wrist & rm exercise than a finger one. i mean, if you try using figer technique you will never get it anywhere near decent tempo! (imo)

It's a good exercise, but a boring piece, I think.

[pianowelsh]

I always used to play it with my hands crossed around my neck and played the repeated notes with my nose! great FUN !