Has anyone learned both gaspard and islamey

[lostinidlewonder]

If I have a student learning Gaspard or Islamey and they can’t figure out what’s harder for them to play then the music is too hard for them period. 

And if you’re actually at the level where you could play one of them you‘re most likely able to play both so it doesn’t matter.  Just pick the one you like more.

This who convo is a dick measuring contest about difficulty I’m convinced none of y’all actually like Islamey or Gaspard.

You are living in a little bubble of your own making and refuse to think outside your little box. Are we supposed to help you with that?

You can keep telling students to solve everything themselves and that they should know it all otherwise forget about attempting a piece, rather than being able to lay out the journey that might have to be taken and measurements that need to be taken into consideration, and don't worry about those students who have time restrictions tell them to just go ahead and learn the piece and if they find roadblocks after investing time into the piece that are not resolving efficiently, bad luck deal with it! Also don't bother about accurate "looking before you leap" don't worry about a professional appraisal of all challenges a student might face, don't worry about considering your students strengths and weaknesses and knowing how to apply it to a given piece in a comprehensive manner. Don't worry about submitting pieces to competitons and bothering about difficulty levels, of course an easier piece played well will beat a difficult piece played well!!! Lol. Yep it's all about something superficial right? Lol.

[thorn]

If I have a student learning Gaspard or Islamey and they can’t figure out what’s harder for them to play then the music is too hard for them period. 

And if you’re actually at the level where you could play one of them you‘re most likely able to play both so it doesn’t matter.  Just pick the one you like more.

This who convo is a dick measuring contest about difficulty I’m convinced none of y’all actually like Islamey or Gaspard.

You're confusing a student with a seasoned pianist. A student takes piano lessons from a teacher because they require the type of guidance LIW describes. If, as a teacher, you are not giving students this type of input then what exactly are they paying you for?

Also composers throughout history have stretched the possibilities of the instruments they write for- including your beloved Rachmaninoff. You can't do this without an understanding of the present limits, and how previous pieces have pushed these boundaries. Are you calling Rachmaninoff superficial? Bach?

[rachmaninoff_forever]

You are living in a little bubble of your own making and refuse to think outside your little box. Are we supposed to help you with that? You can remain there who cares really?

You can keep telling students to solve everything themselves…

I read this much and stopped reading.  Cause I never said they have to solve everything themselves.  Nothing you’ve said afterwards is worth the effort

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Are you calling Rachmaninoff superficial? Bach?

No they’re not superficial.  YOU’RE superficial.  If Ravel was alive today he’d probably think y’all are weird for arguing about Islamey vs Gaspard. hE iNtEndED gASpArD tO bE HarDeR tHoUgh bro that’s probably some stupid bet or joke he had with balakirev it’s not that deep.

Also what does student vs seasoned pianist have to do with anything.  There’s students who can play either of the songs and seasoned pianists (whatever that means) who can’t.

It’s different if it was like fur Elise vs Turkish March but these are two of the hardest songs in standard rep if you’re at that level and you’re not self sufficient enough to tell which one is the better option for you then your teacher failed in helping you think for yourself.  I couldn’t imagine someone able to play Gaspard needing to be spoonfed every little detail along the way

[lostinidlewonder]

I read this much and stopped reading.  Cause I never said they have to solve everything themselves.  Nothing you’ve said afterwards is worth the effort

You said they should be able to solve the difficulty appraisal themselves, you are bringing a machete to surgery ignoring a number of issues which I brought up but which go over your head

I don't care what you read or not, it's OK you won't understand it anyway, here's a tissue and some copium tablets.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

You said they should be able to solve the difficulty appraisal themselves, you are bringing a machete to surgery ignoring a number of issues which I brought up but which go over your head

I don't care what you read or not, it's OK you won't understand it anyway, here's a tissue and some copium tablets.

I meannnn you obviously do care that’s why you wrote it

And yes if they’re good enough to play Scarbo they should be able to gauge the difficulty themselves.  However you misquoted me in your previous comment.  Which is why I didn’t read anything else. 

Besides y’all weren’t even arguing from a pedagogy perspective y’all were just trying to out dick size eachother and when I called you out on it you immediately go oH wElL iM a TeAcHeR

[lostinidlewonder]

I meannnn you obviously do care that’s why you wrote it

Logically if it's meant ONLY for you I would have sent a private message. So again, I don't care what you read or not so you announcing what you read or not makes no difference

And yes if they’re good enough to play Scarbo they should be able to gauge the difficulty themselves.  However you misquoted me in your previous comment.  Which is why I didn’t read anything else. 

I didn't misquote anything at all. I explained why knowing the difficulty for even students ready for the work would be important to investigate with them. You didn't read it so what would you know?

Besides y’all weren’t even arguing from a pedagogy perspective y’all were just trying to out dick size eachother and when I called you out on it you immediately go oH wElL iM a TeAcHeR

Because your simplistic perspective is just short sighted, you called nothing out but your own imagination and misinterpretation. If you read my responses to here amongst what I wrote I invited analysis of the pieces by those who erroneously suggested Scarbo was easier. I've been a teacher for decades and discussed teacher subjects on here for almost 20 years so whats your point? My interaction here has nothing to do with gloating, that is ridiculously simplistic and mindless, I wouldn't be bothered doing that for 20 years on a forum, you think I'm that bored??? You tend to think everyone behaves like the narrative you see in your head which is just not what is happening in reality.