Help identifying this piece (piano - cello)

[monsieur.pichon]

Hi to all! I've been searching a piano and cello piece that I heard on the radio (more specifically in the WQXR -the New York classical music radio-). It's pretty hard, since its in the background of an announcement, but it can be clearly heard at the end.

I have recorded the few seconds of the announcement I was wondering if I could share a link here? Is this against the forum rules? If it is okay I will EDIT and upload the audio.

Thank you very much.

[Bob]

You can post files on your messages here.  Nils isn't going to care.  It's just a snippet of a piece, so it's not breaking copyright laws.

[monsieur.pichon]

Perfect. Sorry for the audio quality, I recorded with my cell phone as soon I heard it again.

My guess? Copland? Barber? Dvórak? I don't know why...

Thank you again.

[keypeg]

Me being me, I recognize things and have the name of almost none of them.  I thought I heard the ending of this one.  I know I've played it on an instrument.  What is it?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/yq963idre6hkubp/mystery%20melody.mp3?dl=0

[monsieur.pichon]

That's the melody.

It sounds Copland for me, but I cannot find what piece is.


Anyone can help us? =P

[themeandvariation]

Dvorak.. New World symphony theme. arranged for duet..

[keypeg]

That's it.  I think it was given to me as a violin student as "Largo".  There's a good write-up about it here.

https://www.wrti.org/post/story-behind-nostalgic-melody-dvorak-became-song-goin-home

[keypeg]

It is also interesting that it was an imported Czech who pushed the idea of uniquely American (US) music.

[monsieur.pichon]

Yes!!!!!

Thank you.

It's so interesting that between my guesses there was also Dvórak!

Thank you again!

[Bob]

It's 1:06min.  Just at the end.

Pianist must be a ghost for the video.   

This isn't the exact recording, is it?     I'm hearing more piano in this youtube piece.  Maybe.  I was just thinking this on Decca from 2014.  A radio station could have that.  It might be... I hear the piano more when I crank the volume up on the radio station clip.  They chopped the piano off at the end in the radio station ad.


Hm.  Check it out.  The radio station does have this recording too.
https://www.wqxr.org/music/musicians/alisa-weilerstein/2/
Alisa Weilerstein
Last played Tuesday, July 02 2019 at 07:49 AM
Antonin Dvorak
Goin' Home
William Arms Fisher and John Lenehan, arranger
Alisa Weilerstein, cello
Anna Polonsky, piano
Album: Dvorak / Alisa Weilerstein

[lostinidlewonder]

It also the famous part of Holsts The Planets, Jupiter  2:54 mark

[keypeg]

It also the famous part of Holsts The Planets, Jupiter  2:54 mark

I feel a bit dumb. I was not able to hear the Dvorak movement in the Holst.  I heard a definite melody, but it did not sound the same.

[lostinidlewonder]

It's not too hard to hear it, listen closer.

[keypeg]

I hear an entirely different melody.  Does anyone else here the Dvorak Largo, in the Holst?

[lostinidlewonder]

Listen to the file that the OP posted and then the exact time I suggested.

[keypeg]

 We've all been discussing the Dvorak, which I identified (played the excerpt of what I heard, on the piano) and which was then named. So you're not comparing it with the Dvorak, but to the original excerpt with the voice over it.  Got it.

[lostinidlewonder]

Why would I call a Dvorak piece Holst, it is fairly obvious I’m talking about the excerpt and there is zero need to explain that in my first response. I found it curious it also sounded like the Holst this why I posted I wouldn’t have posted if I had to say the exact same thing you all already said. There is only one sample uploaded so everyone had to talk about that first which is what I was also discussing.

[themeandvariation]

Hey LIIW,
I only listened to the excerpt offered by the OP (not Keypeg's recording offering) and
found it to be Dvorak - for sure.  Listened to the Holst - at the mark you suggest - and although in a similar vein (of using the major 6th interval, instead of the leading tone), - it is not the same melodic line.  FWIW.

[keypeg]

Hey LIIW,
I only listened to the excerpt offered by the OP (not Keypeg's recording offering) and
found it to be Dvorak - for sure.  Listened to the Holst - at the mark you suggest - and although in a similar vein (of using the major 6th interval, instead of the leading tone), - it is not the same melodic line.  FWIW.

I'm glad that you were able to find (maybe) what Liiw heard (the major 6th).  I listened again to the original.  It is definitely the Dvorak, without a doubt.  Goodness knows I practised it enough for that recital back then.  I know the piece.

[lostinidlewonder]

Hey LIIW,
I only listened to the excerpt offered by the OP (not Keypeg's recording offering) and
found it to be Dvorak - for sure.  Listened to the Holst - at the mark you suggest - and although in a similar vein (of using the major 6th interval, instead of the leading tone), - it is not the same melodic line.  FWIW.

Nope its not that, it is like 10 notes which follow the same order as the Holst. It is obvious that the Dvorak is a better fit but the Holst also fits the very small excerpt that was posted which I found interesting, I AM NOT SAYING IT IS NOT THE DVORAK. 2:54 is the start of the pattern, if you listen to it again at 3:05-3:15 it's much closer to the uploaded file.

[lostinidlewonder]

I'm glad that you were able to find (maybe) what Liiw heard (the major 6th).  I listened again to the original.  It is definitely the Dvorak, without a doubt.  Goodness knows I practised it enough for that recital back then.  I know the piece.

Goodness sakes Im not saying its not the Dvorak Im saying it also sounds like the Holst which is a perfectly logical situation since the exerpt given is so short.

[themeandvariation]

'if you listen to it again at 3:05-3:15 '.
Well I hear a fragment - of 3 rising stepwise notes , similar.  But that's it. As i mentioned, the flavor of the passage is similar.  I would guess that Vaughn Williams probably has similar passages as well. On a side note, I think it's time to listen to the whole work - Planets.  One of my students brought up that piece yesterday, saying she likes to study w it on.  So for me, LIIW, your reference is at very least 'Jungian' in its timing.   

[lostinidlewonder]

Pianostreet doesn't get many responses so I think it's just adding to the melting pot of info. You only hear three notes the rising ones, hmmm I wonder why you can't connect what comes next it's rather obviously following the same pattern to my ear. I couldn't be bothered making audio files and write the notes out to prove the correlation I think just listening is good enough. It's not totally uncommon to hear phrases existing elsewhere.

On a side note, I think it's time to listen to the whole work - Planets.  One of my students brought up that piece yesterday, saying she likes to study w it on.  So for me, LIIW, your reference is at very least 'Jungian' in its timing.   

They were piano duets first before becoming orchestrated, they are extremely enjoyable to play that's for sure!

[themeandvariation]

What follows those 3 notes (C  DE   ) in the Dvorak (if in the key of C ) are D  CD  A   C.  And then an echo 1 octave lower.  (The A of course, is the 6th note of the scale, acting As a leading tone .- giving a kind of pentatonic impression).  OK, I'll give it one more whirl (listen).

"It's not totally uncommon to hear phrases existing elsewhere."
 Yes, that is what I was implying by mentioning V.W.

[keypeg]

I just listened to the Holst again.  It's not even the same rhythm.  While the Dvorak is the same rhythm, the same melody.

[themeandvariation]

"They were piano duets first before becoming orchestrated, they are extremely enjoyable to play that's for sure!"

Oh - that would be fun.  Since Ive (had to) converted to online lessons, I haven't been able to do duets.. Lots  of stuff to enjoy there..You might be aware that Liszt made piano transcriptions of Beethoven symp.s  for 4 hands.. Was playing the Bach concerto in Fm orchestral while student soloed .. getting her ready for performance, which of course was postponed indefinitely. The Kreisler piano and violin duets are a blast.

[lostinidlewonder]

I just listened to the Holst again.  It's not even the same rhythm.  While the Dvorak is the same rhythm, the same melody.

Gosh there really must be something like musical blindness. At least you felt the need to repeat yourself again, and again. Maybe again? Sounds like same melody and rhythm to me, maybe slightly slower, perhaps that is why you are so confused.

[keypeg]

Gosh there really must be something like musical blindness. At least you felt the need to repeat yourself again, and again. Maybe again? Sounds like same melody and rhythm to me, maybe slightly slower, perhaps that is why you are so confused.

I am absolutely NOT confused.  If you hear the same melody and rhythm to you, I don't know what to say.  I double checked with my teacher.  It is definitely what we all said it is.  2nd movement of the Dvorak piece.

[lostinidlewonder]

Righteo, no one is saying it isn't the Dvorak, I wonder why you have to keep repeating yourself?

[keypeg]

This is getting silly.  I'm out.

[ranjit]

The Holst is similar, but the OP is definitely the Dvorak. The form the question+answer kind phrases takes is unmistakable. In the case of the Holst, it sounds more like one very long, extended melody, as opposed to the Dvorak, which is clearly split up into a bunch of question+answer style mini-phrases.

[mikestanley464]

Yes!!!!!

Thank you.

It's so interesting that between my guesses there was also Dvórak!

Thank you again!