Lang Lang, Slammed.

[lenny]

It's like saying sprinters should be praised for the fact that they could run.

they should if they run fast.

piano playing is a multifaceted act

it is an art, a sport, anything you want it to be.

a piano technician should be respected as an athelete.

[aquariuswb]

  why?

Is that a rhetorical question? I'm guessing not, so...

The analogy simply does not work!!! Sprinters race. Their objective is to cross the finish line first. WHERE IS THE FINISH LINE IN MUSIC, AND WHEN DID MUSIC BECOME A RACE?!?!? Sure, you can say that playing the piano involves some athleticism. But you take it further and employ quite faulty logic: Piano playing involves athleticism. Sprinting involves athleticism. Therefore, piano playing and sprinting are alike and should be valued with the same criteria. Do you see why this makes absolutely no sense? So what if sprinters are respected for their amazing feats of speed? How does this mean that pianists should be respected for pure speed alone? There's no logic here at all.

[aquariuswb]

a piano technician should be respected as an athelete.

Again, that's just plain STUPID. I respect technique if it is ACCOMPANIED BY GREAT MUSICALITY. This is MUSIC. Piano playing is absolutely NOT[/i][/b] a sport. Just because it takes some athleticism (i.e. stamina, hand/wrist/arm strength and control, etc.) to play the piano does not make playing the piano a sport. It's an art, and don't you forget it! Maybe you should sign off this forum once in a while and go play; then, perhaps, you wouldn't make such naïve comments.
 

[lenny]

i completely disagree

of course piano shouldnt be played AFAP always, but when called for - speed should be unleashed

piano technique is an atheletic pursuit, and therefore a pianist whose technique is phenomenal should be respected for that alone even if the musicality is completely lacking.

im not asking you to respect the music theyre making. just the astonishing movements they are making.

for example - even if you dislike richter's interpretation of chopin's 10/4 etude - you cant argue that this is a huge atheletic acheivment and should be respected alot for that alone.

[aquariuswb]

i completely disagree

of course piano shouldnt be played AFAP always, but when called for - speed should be unleashed

piano technique is an atheletic pursuit, and therefore a pianist whose technique is phenomenal should be respected for that alone even if the musicality is completely lacking.

im not asking you to respect the music theyre making. just the astonishing movements they are making.

for example - even if you dislike richter's interpretation of chopin's 10/4 etude - you cant argue that this is a huge atheletic acheivment and should be respected alot for that alone.

Piano technique is a VEHICLE with which to deliver the music. If you're playing a piece, it's ASSUMED that you have the technique to pull it off. Stop trying to call music a sport. It's just not. Masturbation requires some athleticism too, is that a sport? Come off it, lenny.

[lenny]

Piano technique is a VEHICLE with which to deliver the music. If you're playing a piece, it's ASSUMED that you have the technique to pull it off. Stop trying to call music a sport. It's just not. Masturbation requires some athleticism too, is that a sport? Come off it, lenny.

well i would admire the world record of endurance or repetitions-per-second.

running is also a vehicle for various physical arts, and yet it is also a sport in itself?

im not saying the speed should be the primary reason for listening always, but it should be admired by itself as an atheletic pursuit.

[aquariuswb]

well i would admire the world record of endurance or repetitions-per-second.

For masturbation? Ok, this argument is over...

[chromatickler]

Piano technique is a VEHICLE with which to deliver the music.

ironically the messenger is infinitely more objective than the message

[SteinwayTony]

Yeah, Lenny's been pulling the sprinter analogy in another thread.  At first I thought he was joking.

[lenny]

Yeah, Lenny's been pulling the sprinter analogy in another thread.  At first I thought he was joking.

 

[SpeedArrow]

Hi guys,
Here is a link to watch Lang Lang's KongFu.
Does anyone know what is the piece he played in this video?
https://datazz2.free.fr/longdong_comedic.avi
 

[jz_rach2]

I really wanna say this to that critic...
"Go, play it, play for us, what should this sound like??  you must be perfect, so play it!!  btw, you must know rachmaninoff really well, how old are you??"

good one...

[Motrax]

He's playing Prokofiev's 3rd concerto, 3rd movement.

[stevie]

kapell and argerich come close, but noone can match langlang

[perfect_pitch]

i think that critic dude's goal is to attack asian musicians...
some racism going on here...

Ahhhh.... I understand now. Anyone who hates Lang Lang MUST be a racist... It all makes sense now...        IDIOT!!!!!

Sorry to say this, but most of Lang Langs performances are purely terrible. He HAS done a couple of good performances. I have a recording of Mendlessohns Piano Concerto by him and he did an excellent job, but overall especially when playing Rachmaninoff, you need to be damn good.

Lang Lang is NOTHING compared to Horowitz, or Brendel or any of the Pianists with real talent. Until he really pulls his act together, or until I hear more good performances by him, then I'm sorry, but he isn't good - yet.    So get over it Dikai.

[Dazzer]

actually there's nothing racist... its making a mockery of the briiliant "acting" lang lang has when playing the piece...  very amusing  -claps -


I actually thought he was miming... i'm still not sure... if he ain't he's not such a bad pianist - bravo -

edit: i thought the racism comment was about the video... me bad

[prometheus]

Sprinting and sports aren't art.

Therefore they do not contain any aesthetic value. Therefore one can assume that a person that likes music, and thus art, finds the sport-element of technique totally irrelevant.

Why do people watch sports? Most of them do because the competition is exiting. They support one person or team competing, often one related to their community or country. If that person wins, the person watching 'wins' too, or that is what he thinks. Thus the watcher beats the other competitors in this sporting event which results in pleasure.

[Siberian Husky]

Hi guys,
Here is a link to watch Lang Lang's KongFu.
Does anyone know what is the piece he played in this video?
https://datazz2.free.fr/longdong_comedic.avi
 

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
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[apion]

Ouch.

I CAN'T WAIT TO BUY SEVERAL COPIES OF THIS DISC:

"There seems to be no guiding intelligence at work here at all . . . . .  a series of disconnected vignettes, with little sense of continuity and no sustained tension . . . . . I hesitate to use the inherently subjective term "tasteless," but if it has any meaning at all, then this release could serve as a textbook definition . . . . The cheesy production values, lousy sound, and spasmodic artistry on offer here are unworthy both of DG and the performers, and that's the bottom line."

HOW MANY COPIES SHOULD I BUY: 1 for the car; 1 for the house; 1 for my dog; 1 for the walkman; 1 for my sister . . . . . . . . .

[prometheus]

Is that the real Lang Lang? Is he even sane?

[Dazzer]

probably, no

and probably, yes.

(switch both answers accordingly)

[BoliverAllmon]

tha vid is insane. the dude has lost it.

[stevie]

Sprinting and sports aren't art.

Therefore they do not contain any aesthetic value. Therefore one can assume that a person that likes music, and thus art, finds the sport-element of technique totally irrelevant.

Why do people watch sports? Most of them do because the competition is exiting. They support one person or team competing, often one related to their community or country. If that person wins, the person watching 'wins' too, or that is what he thinks. Thus the watcher beats the other competitors in this sporting event which results in pleasure.

sprinting and sports do have aesthetic value to many people, the motions and physical ability are fascinating to watch, just like pianists hands.

yes, competition is exciting, and why was horowitz so concerned with being technique king? because he was competitive and wanted to be the best virtuoso.

the point is, that just as legitimate a pleasure can be gained from watching a pianist's hands as hearing what he plays.

[maul]

That video is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. I read somewhere that Lang Lang would persue comedy if he didn't succeed at music. That explains it. Absolutely hilarious.

[stevie]

That video is one of the funniest things I've ever seen. I read somewhere that Lang Lang would persue comedy if he didn't succeed at music. That explains it. Absolutely hilarious.

precisely 

[Dazzer]

after listening to it i felt motivated to try playing it.

just bought the score, since too lazy to print it all out

[joachimf]

Hey guys, you are giving LL a really hard time here...

Well, I can agree that the video was insane, but I have been on a concerto where he performed Rachmaninov's second, and it wasn't that bad, and the audience seemed to really enjoy it. (He got standing, pretty hysterical ovations at the end, having to walk out and in numerous times)...

I guess for some people he's interesting and gives a new "feel" to the music. He does it different, and if people like it...... why not?

I don't really have enough experienced ears to come with my own critique, but I'm just reffering to how he was received in Oslo....

[perfect_pitch]

I guess for some people he's interesting and gives a new "feel" to the music. He does it different, and if people like it...... why not?

Thats like saying 'Richard Claydermann's music got a standing ovation from people... he's giving it a new feel....  - It still doesn't mean he's any good...

When I joined these forums... I had never heard of lang Lang... And I listened to a couple of his recordings. I have heard a really good recording of his, but sadly enough I have also heard many bad recordings.

So I will Admit that when He's capable of pulling off some fantastic playing, but most of the time, he doesn't seem to care. Thats my opinion of him.

[prometheus]

Have you even been at a performance where the pianist got boo-ed away?

Some people say LL is quite intelligent. If this is true he will probably get a lot better when he is older.

[Waldszenen]

Have you even been at a performance where the pianist got boo-ed away?

Some people say LL is quite intelligent. If this is true he will probably get a lot better when he is older.

I've never actually been to a concert that had anyone boo, but apparently rumour has it that Pogorelich was severely booed off the stage in 1999 (?) in London for playing the Chopin No. 1 at never-before-seen slow tempi.

[joachimf]

Some people say LL is quite intelligent. If this is true he will probably get a lot better when he is older.

There is at least nothing wrong with his technique. If he matures musically he might be a great pianist when he's older. And he doesen't lack any publicity. So I guess it would be easy for him to make a comeback later...

[BoliverAllmon]

I've never actually been to a concert that had anyone boo, but apparently rumour has it that Pogorelich was severely booed off the stage in 1999 (?) in London for playing the Chopin No. 1 at never-before-seen slow tempi.

I am not sure if this happened, but I could definately see it happening. He is SLOW