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Complex 20th century works reccomendations
« on: October 17, 2021, 02:44:14 AM »
So recently I've been getting deeper and deeper into 20th century music. Some of my favorite pieces are Feinberg's 3rd sonata, Godowsky's passacaglia, and Rzewski's variations on the theme of "The People United Will Never Be Defeated." I would like some recommendations for pieces similar to these, complex difficult variation master works, preferably from the 20th century.

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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #1 on: October 17, 2021, 02:50:19 AM »
oh, good question. I've been having the same question for a bit now.

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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #2 on: October 17, 2021, 03:59:36 AM »
Rachmaninoff wrote a couple of nice sets of variations, one on a theme of Chopin's and the other on a theme by Corelli.

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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #3 on: October 17, 2021, 07:36:11 AM »
There's no shortage of such works by Sorabji!
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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #4 on: October 17, 2021, 11:10:22 AM »
Not a variation work but Alban Berg - Piano Sonata, Op. 1 is great.

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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #5 on: October 18, 2021, 12:20:49 AM »
Jacob Druckman Seven Deadly Sins (variations for piano )

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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #6 on: October 18, 2021, 01:00:58 PM »
The Passacaglia in g minor , etude no 10 , from Kosenko's 11 etudes in the form of old dances op 19 (c 1927 ish...).
Really needs a both big and higher tier type piano To really make those low register parts of the melody and later variations sonorities pop (ie  model b/c, d, sk7+, sf10 +, etc, a bosey imperial, here tue Forester really does its job exceedingly well)

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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #7 on: October 18, 2021, 01:12:23 PM »
Ellis Kohs variations on l'homme arme

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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #8 on: October 18, 2021, 01:19:40 PM »
Victor Babin variations on a theme of Beethoven(1908 to 1972) studied w Schnabel, director of Cleveland institute of music, has brilliant idiomatic writing, var 5 is an homage to Milhaud, closing is a door fugue and coda

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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #9 on: October 19, 2021, 11:42:54 PM »
Part meme, part serious piece. A fun and modernist take on the Paganini theme.



Program:
Scriabin Etude Op. 8 No. 12
Bach Prelude and Fugue in A flat, WTC 1
Beethoven Sonata Op. 31 No. 3 "The Hunt"
Brahms Op. 119
Florence Price Clouds
Liszt Hungarian Rhapsody No. 5

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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #10 on: October 20, 2021, 07:06:13 PM »
Part meme, part serious piece. A fun and modernist take on the Paganini theme.


great pic in the same space Muczynski Desperate Measures  would be a great one too


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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #11 on: October 20, 2021, 07:34:26 PM »
An attractive work in a kind of Lutosławski meets jazz meets Rachmaninoff kind of way and the uncredited pianist is Haram Choi (there are other recordings of this out there). Hardly complex, though!
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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #12 on: October 21, 2021, 01:56:36 PM »
An attractive work in a kind of Lutosławski meets jazz meets Rachmaninoff kind of way and the uncredited pianist is Haram Choi (there are other recordings of this out there). Hardly complex, though!
fair enough and thanks for your impression of them! Always loved Robert's set, yes that pianist is super great and I should have credited
On the topic , again maybe not terribly complex , Ivan Jirko, he did a great set , essentially a set of variations on one of the Brahms Paganini var, I've never found a recording and I want to play them someday , they are featured in Hinsons guide


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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #13 on: October 29, 2021, 07:34:35 PM »
Alexander Vladigerov's Toccata:


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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #14 on: November 07, 2021, 10:38:47 PM »
Poulenc has a pretty neat set of variations that almost nobody seems to have heard of or play. It's a shame because it's great music:


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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #15 on: November 08, 2021, 04:27:56 PM »
Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet, people used to love Kapustin on this forum!

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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #16 on: November 09, 2021, 03:04:50 PM »
Surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet, people used to love Kapustin on this forum!

it was my obvious first choice to mention but I felt people were sick of my praising and suggestions if his works given the relative frequencies for which I have done overall lately
It's a great set and I love that's the theme from Stravinskys Bassoon solo from solo from Rite of Spring
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It's possibly my bigger piece after I move on from the etudes of op 40 (currently on 1 2 3 and 8 )



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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #17 on: November 09, 2021, 05:08:03 PM »
I have to say that I've yet to see any posts about the topic in this thread...

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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #18 on: November 09, 2021, 05:41:30 PM »
I have to say that I've yet to see any posts about the topic in this thread...

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Ooh snap ☺️
Ok maybe a brave soul can write a set based on this gem
A Hinton op. 49
Off topic but sir this is music is stunning

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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #19 on: November 09, 2021, 08:44:10 PM »
Ooh snap ☺️
Ok maybe a brave soul can write a set based on this gem
A Hinton op. 49
Off topic but sir this is music is stunning
You are very kind! Nothing especially complex here, though, methinks...

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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #20 on: November 10, 2021, 12:39:01 PM »




The Vingt Regards can also be conceptualized as a set of variations on a few motifs, rather than a theme.  A rec to spotlight:


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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #21 on: November 10, 2021, 10:15:28 PM »
Copland's "Piano Variations"


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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #22 on: November 11, 2021, 05:43:05 PM »
I still await some examples of the topic and have yet to see any, Vingt Regards perhaps being the closest...

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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #23 on: November 11, 2021, 10:07:30 PM »
I still await some examples of the topic and have yet to see any, Vingt Regards perhaps being the closest...

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Fine, I say itů Sorabji's Symphonic Variations KSS59
http://www.sorabji-archive.co.uk/compositions/piece.php?pieceid=59

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Re: Complex 20th century works reccomendations
«Reply #24 on: November 12, 2021, 01:39:48 PM »
Fine, I say itů Sorabji's Symphonic Variations KSS59
http://www.sorabji-archive.co.uk/compositions/piece.php?pieceid=59
Well, that one certainly fits the bill! It's currently being typeset and its edition is anticipated for some time next year.

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