it seems more relatable to me and absolutely not emotionless and dead. Different strokes for different folks.
I see what you're saying, but what are your thoughts on Bach?
Hey all! I just had an interesting thought, do you guys think we place too much emphasis on being "classical" pianists today? A lot of people on this site put so much effort into learning the classics (don't get me wrong, they're are plenty of great ones), but I would argue that the majority of classical pieces are emotionless and dead. There are so many great composers/ arrangers out there today and it just seems more relatable and sometimes more emotion-filled. Why are so many pianists today convinced that classical is the only "right" way to be a pianist. Thoughts?
You should realize that you are looking at a VERY biased sample of people here. I think that around half the people here have music degrees.
I'm aware, lol. I'm getting a piano performance degree and I think I'm really causing the professors strife by "redefining" their degrees lol. We've had some heated convos.
I suspect, however, that once students are exposed to more of the repertoire in the classical realm, they become attracted to many of the pieces that have stood the test of time. They may discover the greatness of Beethoven in one of the Sonatas, or the undeniable attraction of Chopin in one of the Nocturnes, and so on. So I don’t necessarily think that young people are being “steered“ into classical music, but rather, they discover it on their own in an attempt to achieve better technical and musical control of the instrument over time.
My opinion about Classical music is that they may be a little too long in length
It is much more relatable and emotional to me and I really loved movie soundtracks by Hans Zimmer, who composed Pirates of the Caribbean soundtracks and much much more, like other pop songs
I don't really research a lot about classical music coz it's quite dead
As a music educator you are supposed to encourage students to love music and find works that excite them and that certainly doesn't only exist around "classical" music. The world of music has moved on quite a lot and so we should embrace that diversity.For example a fully rounded teacher should be able to teach Chopin and Liszt as well as be aware of the music from Undertale! I personally think there is zero excuse in forcing everyone down the same "classical" path, that simply suffocates creativity. So many universities of music are barren landscapes of creative deserts which churn out clone after clone.I am excited to study works with students that they are excited about. As a teacher we are servants, I think some teachers forget about that. I have got to say I enjoy the diverse musical interests that are out there!
+ 10 on this post. I couldn’t agree more. I have told my students that the perfect musician is one who can walk that very fine line 50/50 of learning on your own with equal balance of “street smarts“ and proper training. If I were to have one regret at the end of my life about my musical existence, I would have to say that I wish I had more encouragement in my youth to explore on my own without all of the “rules“ that govern much of music education these days. I think proper training does steal a lot of the creativity that students inherently have, especially if they are musically inclined. That creativity can be quite squashed by many of the rules that govern music when they are forced upon a student in an attempt to make them better at the instrument. Deviation from that very fine line can create someone who is very good at learning by ear, but might miss a lot of the theoretical concepts that would make them a better performer. On the other side of that coin, you can over train someone to be so aware of the processes and theoretical concepts that they can’t break away from those pre-existing examples to effortlessly create things on their own.For example, in the past five weeks I have learned the Appassionata, and if I needed to I could play it tomorrow with only a month experience with the piece. However, when I rehearse with my jazz ensemble at the school, I really have to work diligently to create a good “improvisation“ for a 12 bar blues. This is something I wish I could do much more fluently, similar to the manner with which I was able to learn the Appassionata. We all certainly have our strengths, but I just wish I was more versatile in some of the other musical abilities that some students out there are able to accomplish so much more easily than I can. The grass is always greener, isn’t it?
It is always greener, and in education, there is always a tradeoff between breadth and depth....there is just so much to learn that you already just scratch the surface in some instances in your typical modern classical musician's education.
I think proper training does steal a lot of the creativity that students inherently have, especially if they are musically inclined. That creativity can be quite squashed by many of the rules that govern music when they are forced upon a student in an attempt to make them better at the instrument. Deviation from that very fine line can create someone who is very good at learning by ear, but might miss a lot of the theoretical concepts that would make them a better performer. On the other side of that coin, you can over train someone to be so aware of the processes and theoretical concepts that they can’t break away from those pre-existing examples to effortlessly create things on their own.
It ain't dead... just ignored by a lot of people who can't understand the intricacy, the beauty and the incredible depth Classical music has.
I think emphasis perhaps isn't the right word for me. Obviously, all pianists, teachers, and students of classical music learn at least some "classics" in their lifetime, it's simply unavoidable. Though I think it is true that contemporary composers of our modern times deserve some more recognition, it really isn't too different from what it was then. At one point, Bach was considered contemporary, Beethoven was, Chopin was and so on. Now in the 21st century, these contemporary composers have become history, and they are remembered for their achievements, usually because of their genius, style and the effect they have on people. Now there are definitely times and places where the "classics" feel boring, perhaps from overlistening or overpracticing. Now usually, these composers become more and more famous after their death, as generations after begin comphrehending their genius, the same goes for almost all artists in different fields. Since they have become history and given the statement that a lot of these composers have become more and more famous after their time, it's only normal for us now to admire and perform these works and composers to such a common degree. The modern composers are simply waiting to be recognized more if they have the merit, talent and musicianship that deserved to be done so.
Do you know any mdoern composers whose music you think deserves being immortalized just like Beethoven's , Chopin's, etc?
Okay - definitely your opinion... totally wrong however. If you've got 30 mins at night to spare before bed and want to watch some TV, you don't play a movie that's 2 hours in length and complain about it being too long. There are a LARGE plethora of classical pieces that are less than 5 mins in length, and large orchestra works that can take up to an hour. They fit all time frames. Like most movies, they make them as long as they have to be in order for the composer to feel they are complete. You do realise that most of the works of Hans Zimmer, Klaus Badelt, John Powell, John Williams are written almost in a classical type style. They are usually orchestrated in the same manner most of the large symphonic works written 200 years ago. Most of these people probably have classical music backgrounds, and their playing is almost just a natural extension of how music would have evolved after the romantic and early 20th century (had it not gotten weird and delved into that weird sh*t). You know what I'm talking about...[cough *sorabji* cough]Again - you're opinion, totally wrong. I still have Primary school kids who want to play Fur Elise, Moonlight Sonata; students who learn Eine Kleine Nachtmusik as Quartets, and lots of students love playing the music of Elgar in their Band classes. It ain't dead... just ignored by a lot of people who can't understand the intricacy, the beauty and the incredible depth Classical music has.
This is my personal taste and opinion but some modern ones I like include Liebermann, Stephen Hough and Marc Andre Hamelin (Who I always think is the modern Godowsky in skills), Samy Mousa (I was at his Symphony 2 Premiere and I love it personally). There are a few more but these are some good ones imo.