Fingering, technical help with a passage

[willcowskitz]

This is probably the biggest technical obstacle I've faced:

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Attention on bars 8 and 9 from where I started fingering (3. and 4. from the end).
Just what fingers should I use for this, or is there a way to fragment parts of the right hand to left? 53-2-1 on right hand is a little uncomfortable and inconsistent way of doing the "ascending descendings" on right. I thought of 51-2-3 but there is still a jump that breaks the supposed flow of this part.

Never mind my finger markings, they're a little flawed and rethought.


Any help greatly appreciated.

[anda]

you can reach an octave with 2-5? ? ? wow...

[anda]

ok, this what i'd do:

rh: bar #7: (5-1) - 2 - 3 - 1 - 1 - 2 - 3
     bar #8 : 5 - 1 - 1 - (5-2) - 1 - 2 - (5-1) - 2 - 1
     bar #9: (5-1) - 1 - 2 - 3

lh: bar #6 beat 3 : 1 - 2 - 3
     bar # 7 : (1-5) - 3 - 2 - 5 - 5 - 4 - 3
     bar #8: (1-5) - 3 - 2 - 1 - 2- 3 - 1 - 2 - 3
    bar #9: 1

not sure how this helps... how about try as many fingerings as you can imagine and let your hand tell you which one feels best?

best luck

[willcowskitz]

I'm not sure if I interpreted your fingerings right but using finger 1 twice in a row is a bit of a slowdown here.

This part is really bugging me, I think I've tried almost everything but nothing feels good.

In bar 8 I've used (5-1)-2-1 (5-2)-1-2 (5-2)-1-2  [etc, ascending]
When it comes back from top [5 on C, 2 on E]; (5-2) - 1 - 2 - (5-1 [the octave]) - 2 [and the rest is trivial]

The problem with these fingerings is that I don't get it to flow seamlessly because of the jump of finger 2 from end of sequence to beginning of the next. Bars 8 and 9 are really the problem, and I'm starting to think (5-3)-2-1 for ascending is the best solution despite it's painfulness. Still, I'd rather figure out a "nicer" way of doing this...


But, thank you for the effort, anda.

[anda]

I'm not sure if I interpreted your fingerings right but using finger 1 twice in a row is a bit of a slowdown here.

i only suggested this for 2 places: first it's for a slide (fis-g), second time you have plenty of time to get there (i don't know the english name for note duration for that octave)

This part is really bugging me, I think I've tried almost everything but nothing feels good.

In bar 8 I've used (5-1)-2-1 (5-2)-1-2 (5-2)-1-2  [etc, ascending]
When it comes back from top [5 on C, 2 on E]; (5-2) - 1 - 2 - (5-1 [the octave]) - 2 [and the rest is trivial]

The problem with these fingerings is that I don't get it to flow seamlessly because of the jump of finger 2 from end of sequence to beginning of the next. Bars 8 and 9 are really the problem, and I'm starting to think (5-3)-2-1 for ascending is the best solution despite it's painfulness. Still, I'd rather figure out a "nicer" way of doing this...

and i was impressed that you can reach the octave with 2-5, now you consider using 3-5 

WOW!!!

the reason i wouldn't use (5-1) - 2 is exactly because #2 will either get there too late or cause an accent on that note (and i'm sure that's not what you want).

anyway, i only said i would use this fingering! of course i can't tell you what to do - esp since i have no idea what kind of hand you have and what fingerings would suit you best, so it was merely a suggestion...

i'm sure you'll soon find your best option - just keep trying as many variantes (no matter how crazy)

best luck

[willcowskitz]

Ohh! I kind of misread that part. I get it now, the slide is pretty smart but the problem is the octave on left hand on E's after the D#. I just tried it by 5-4-3-(5-1) and it feels a little difficult which is why I've played that note on right hand (E+G) instead. I was playing around with possibiilities and figured maybe I can "delegate" right hand parts to left in the ascendings if I get that weird octave sorted out technically, but it feels really difficult for me. Oh and I can't play an octave with 5-3   just 7th, and those ascendings would require a 6th but the problem with that is that I have to go between the black keys and it kind of stresses both my hand and nerves in trying to get it right and fluent. I'll try playing around with the left hand octave (after D#), maybe it'll just come to me after a thousand attempts. Thanks again, much appreciated!

[anda]

don't mention it

and about the e octave: play it as you said, 5-1 after 5-4-3. then, the best thing you can do is make sure your #5 is prepared for this (while you play c#-d#, your finger #5 should already be sliding underneath your palm towards e). one more thing - i would use one single ascending move of the arm to get me from h to the e octave.

i can't think of a better option. if you find one, please tell me - i'd be very curious as to how problems like this can be solved.

best luck