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Offline Alde

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Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
on: February 15, 2005, 05:15:54 PM
Has anyone heard of any pianist to perform all 24 Chopin Etudes in concert?
I know it has been done, but very rare.  It is also common to see either Op.10 or Op.25 programmed in a recital.  Please name the pianist and describe the performance.
Also would anyone know of any live recordings of the 24 Etudes? 

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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #1 on: February 15, 2005, 05:33:51 PM
lang lang performed all the 24 chopin etudes when he was 13 years old! but theres no recording or movie of this performance!

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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #2 on: February 15, 2005, 06:02:05 PM
Idil Biret preformed Op25 straight through once. Thats all I know
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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #3 on: February 15, 2005, 06:26:32 PM
A pianist who teaches at Indiana I believe (could be wrong) named Evelyne Branchart came to my school (Illinois Wesleyan University) and played all 24 etudes without intermission.  It was really quite impressive overall, although many people who saw the performance would say that she played some better than others. 

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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #4 on: February 15, 2005, 06:59:26 PM
Check out this program performed by pianist Juana Zayas.

https://www.soireesmusicales.com/juana.html

There must have been at least a billion notes.

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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #5 on: February 16, 2005, 12:44:19 AM
valentina lisitsa immedietly comes to mind, she has done it a few times i believe.

i actually think this is a great programme for a recital, such awesome and varied music.
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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #6 on: February 16, 2005, 12:45:03 AM
  MT has done it on several occasions, most recently last year at Jailyard.

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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #7 on: February 16, 2005, 02:48:28 AM
A pianist who teaches at Indiana I believe (could be wrong) named Evelyne Branchart came to my school (Illinois Wesleyan University) and played all 24 etudes without intermission.  It was really quite impressive overall, although many people who saw the performance would say that she played some better than others. 

wow, I go to Wesleyan too.  Who is this?

I was going to mention Evelyne.

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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #8 on: February 16, 2005, 04:41:36 AM
  MT has done it on several occasions, most recently last year at Jailyard.

koji (STSD)
who is MT?
what is Jailyard?

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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #9 on: February 16, 2005, 04:49:34 AM
mei-ting sun www.meiting.com

julliard, jailyard is his affectionate nickname

mei-ting actually won the 1st piano e-competition and is a member of this forum!

check out his useful posts in the archives
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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #10 on: February 16, 2005, 06:21:46 PM
I mentioned Papazian's name in the thread I started not long ago (Chopin 10/4:technical question).I bought the video in 2003 and I think it's worth the money ;).Now here is the link:

https://www.papart.com/video.htm

All 24 preludes and etudes live at Carnegie Hall, March 28,1995.
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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #11 on: February 16, 2005, 07:33:18 PM
In my opinion a more interesting programme would be Chopin etudes in the first half and Chopin-Godowsky etudes in the second half. That is what Berezovsky frequently plays.

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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #12 on: February 16, 2005, 09:43:45 PM
In my opinion a more interesting programme would be Chopin etudes in the first half and Chopin-Godowsky etudes in the second half. That is what Berezovsky frequently plays.

ive heard that he alternates them

ie: playing 10/1 then one of godowsky's 10/1 etudes, then 10/2 and one of godowsky's... and so on

i think this is very interesting way to get a direct comparison!
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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #13 on: February 17, 2005, 12:22:10 AM


ive heard that he alternates them

ie: playing 10/1 then one of godowsky's 10/1 etudes, then 10/2 and one of godowsky's... and so on

i think this is very interesting way to get a direct comparison!

ya that sounds better. I'd love to hear him play that programme here on day.

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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #14 on: February 17, 2005, 02:41:35 PM
Why on earth all these concert virtuosos don't record the magic of "making " the music on DVD?I don't have an answer to this question ::).Nowadays the film technology is so  cheap (you can get a DVD player for less than $40) that the DVD price could by very close to the CD price.Imagine what a treasure it would be for the listener to see the hands and fingers -the tools - in real action from different angles, to be able to compare various styles of playing, fingering etc. Especially if he or she is an advanced pianist playing the same music.I have such a DVD: the Debussy etudes played by Mitsuko Uchida.The camera is perfectly positioned and you can see everything in "real time".What a tresure trove of etudes! They (the masters)can make tons of money if they provide a DVD version along with the CD , showing 99% of the time their hands ,not their faces .
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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #15 on: February 17, 2005, 03:08:48 PM
Murray McLachlan. As always when play the complete cycle moments of messiness?!?! :-[

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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #16 on: February 18, 2005, 01:11:27 AM

Yeah, Chopin himself  ;D and maybe Liszt

The masterpiece tell the performer what to do, and not the performer telling the piece what it should be like, or the cocomposer what he ought to have composed.

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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #17 on: February 18, 2005, 01:18:43 AM
valentina lisitsa immedietly comes to mind, she has done it a few times i believe.

Yeah I have her DVD. She plays all of them.

BTW She is beautiful
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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #18 on: February 18, 2005, 02:07:59 AM
Sokolov performed Op.25 live
Pollini performed all 24 when he was 16 or something (there is private recording of it)

Libetta performed all 53 Godowsky chopin etudes in 2 recital.
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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #19 on: February 18, 2005, 09:29:31 PM


Yeah I have her DVD. She plays all of them.

BTW She is beautiful

she is definietly the hottest pianist in the game today.

In a masterclasss the otherday i attempted playing the entire opus 10, however only managed:
the 1st bar of 1, the 1st page and a half of 2, skipped 3, the first line of 4 and 5 (at furious speeds), skipped 6, am actually learning 7 yet only played a little bit, didn't do 8 9 10 11. tried the revolutionary (i think)....then ended with the 1st 2 lines of op. 25 no. 6. Oh no wait I ended with my own "Reminiscences of Batman the Movie" in the style of liszt.

i was quite tipsy from a few pints enjoyed before the masterclass.

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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #20 on: February 19, 2005, 07:47:21 AM
In my recital last night I played ALL the Etudes, the 24 Preludes, Schumann's Fantasie and Rach's 3.  As an afterthought I put into the programme the complete works of Alkan and, as an encore played the Funeral March Sonata on Chopin.  I woke up in terrible sweat.    ;D ::)

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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #21 on: February 19, 2005, 07:23:12 PM
In my recital last night I played ALL the Etudes, the 24 Preludes, Schumann's Fantasie and Rach's 3.  As an afterthought I put into the programme the complete works of Alkan and, as an encore played the Funeral March Sonata on Chopin.  I woke up in terrible sweat.    ;D ::)

what a sucky encore after all that excitment.
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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #22 on: February 23, 2005, 07:07:57 PM
To SteinwayMode

Just what sucks about Chopin’s 2nd Sonata?  Please explain this extraordinary slander of one of his most positive works.

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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #23 on: February 23, 2005, 07:33:30 PM
Eduardis Halim programmed the Complete op 10 and 25 and the complete Preludes in one concert, I seem to recall.  At Carnegie Hall, maybe 10 years ago.
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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #24 on: February 23, 2005, 08:27:53 PM
Cesar Rangel plays the two sets regularly, one after the other.  It makes for a great program.
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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #25 on: February 23, 2005, 09:20:37 PM
Eduardis Halim programmed the Complete op 10 and 25 and the complete Preludes in one concert, I seem to recall.  At Carnegie Hall, maybe 10 years ago.


A couple of my friends are in his studio.  Neat, weird guy.  Horowitz's last student.

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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #26 on: February 23, 2005, 10:31:30 PM
A couple of years back a pianist (can't recall her name) did all of them as the recital.  Although it was a daunting and impressive program, it was exhausting and difficult to sit through after a while.  She also played as though she was in a hurry to get through them and get the hellout of the auditorium.  Several recitalists have played like that lately.  I wonder if they realize taht's how they come across.
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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #27 on: February 23, 2005, 10:44:52 PM


A couple of my friends are in his studio.  Neat, weird guy.  Horowitz's last student.

Yeah, I knew that from a NYT article which discussed the program I mentioned upthread.  I expected to hear much of the guy after that, but I have not.

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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #28 on: February 24, 2005, 01:51:36 AM
Arrau did it. Also Argerich, Pollini, Ashkenasy, Bolet, Gilels, Schnabel, Biret, Giseking, Mogilewski, Simon Barere, Bereszowsky.

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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #29 on: February 24, 2005, 07:19:19 AM
Also, Perlmuter.  His memory was a little faulty but he had an adept way of getting back into the music again via little diversions.  Sometimes I think he did it on purpose, but I might be wrong.  Who knows?

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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #30 on: February 26, 2005, 11:11:17 PM
Monique Deschaussées wrote a book specifically on how to work the 24 études in order to be able to play them as a cycle...  She had numerous students playing the 24 études and they had to be able to play them twice in a row. It is an excellent book.

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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #31 on: February 27, 2005, 07:02:55 PM


Yeah I have her DVD. She plays all of them.

BTW She is beautiful

And She does a great job on them ::)
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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #32 on: February 28, 2005, 04:17:18 PM
Monique Deschaussées wrote a book specifically on how to work the 24 études in order to be able to play them as a cycle...  She had numerous students playing the 24 études and they had to be able to play them twice in a row. It is an excellent book.

what is the name of the book?

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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #33 on: March 01, 2005, 03:56:46 AM


what is the name of the book?
Frédéric Chopin, 24 études vers une interprétation - (éditions Van de Velde 1995)

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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #34 on: March 03, 2005, 10:34:52 PM
There is also Édition Louise Courteau, harder to find.  The presentation is slightly better.  8)

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Re: Chopin Etudes Op.10 and Op.25 in performance
Reply #35 on: March 09, 2005, 05:44:22 AM

Frédéric Chopin, 24 études vers une interprétation - (éditions Van de Velde 1995)

is there an english translation out there? also what is the difference between this book and her other book on the 24?

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