Piano Competition Ranking

[traumeswirren]

Hi, I was wondering how people would rank Piano Competitions by Oppurtunites and Success of Winners
I would rank them:

1: Chopin, Tchaikovsky, Van Cliburn, Leeds
2: Queen Elizabeth, Rubenstein, Haskil, Geneva, Busoni
3: Bachauer, Montreal
4: Hilton Head, Bosendorfer/Yamaha USASU
5: Olga Kern, Kapell?
What do you all think about this ranking?
Thanks for reading this, TraumesWirren

[rachmaninoff_forever]

They all get a 0 out of 10 lol

Whoever has the most powerful teacher on the jury wins.  And to get into any of them you pretty much already have to have a career to get in

However the cliburn got it right this time around

[traumeswirren]

Really?  I was rather disappointed that Honggi Kim didn't go to the finals.  I also thought that Sergey Tanin deserved to move on, and I was also hoping Dennis Linnik would move on.  (I really wanted to hear Linnik's Nightwind). Yunchan was certainly the deserving winner, and the jury can't fulfil everyone's expectations.

[rachmaninoff_forever]

Really?  I was rather disappointed that Honggi Kim didn't go to the finals.  I also thought that Sergey Tanin deserved to move on, and I was also hoping Dennis Linnik would move on.  (I really wanted to hear Linnik's Nightwind). Yunchan was certainly the deserving winner, and the jury can't fulfil everyone's expectations.

There’s an interview on YouTube where Horowitz is asked about competitions and he pretty much says it like it is

[traumeswirren]

(Sorry to bump this thread)
I know some people say that the Geneva and Busoni are falling off a little.  But the last Geneva seemed pretty solid.  What do people think about that?
(Yes I know his thread is very subjective)

[lelle]

Sadly, very few competition players I listen to excite me or make me want to hear more. There is something that feels a bit artificial and/or weird to a lot of modern competition playing, at least to my ears. IDK what it is, but it is what it is.

[kosulin]

- Tchaikovsky is probably no more, at least in the near future, thanks to Russia invasion to Ukraine.
- Chopin is very specific and conservative, its main intent was, and still is, to promote and preserve an "authentic" Chopin aesthetics as seen by jurors with not much deviation allowed. Not a bad thing, just has to be taken into consideration. For example, Fou Ts’ong studied with Drzewiecki in Kraków for over a year before the 5th Competition, and Martha Argerich paid him few visits before the 7th, to better understand what the true (should I say expected?) Chopin aesthetics is.

[cuberdrift]

Sadly, very few competition players I listen to excite me or make me want to hear more. There is something that feels a bit artificial and/or weird to a lot of modern competition playing, at least to my ears. IDK what it is, but it is what it is.

I think the competition trains the player to play for pianists and critics, not humans...

You are judged by your abilities as a pianist, not as an artist...

By your playing, not your ideas...

But competitions invoke that very primal urge of man to win, and I think this is why they are very popular. In addition to that it can be, though flawed, a way to get your game up.

[truecam]

Why don't they make the compeitions blind?

[rubens99]

I'd remove the Cliburn from the top tier. Yes, Yunchan Lim totally made it better in the last edition, but before that you'd have to go back to Zacharias in 1973 to see a significant laureate.