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Topic: Can i pull off Chopin's Scherzo no 2 as a beginner/intermediate  (Read 323 times)

Offline aleksej

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For context, i have started playing piano normally a year ago, i knew how to play piano but not the technical stuff, used to to play Pop etc. last year i got hooked on piano. i've played Chopins Revolutionary etude in a concert but it was a disaster because i did not put enough attention to the actual technique etc. now my repertoire is Ludwig van Beethoven's Sonata no. 1, Carl Philip Emanuel Bach's Solfeggieto, and Grieg's Menuet no.1 "Vanished days". if i start now until this year september would i somewhat be able to pull off Scherzo no.2?

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Re: Can i pull off Chopin's Scherzo no 2 as a beginner/intermediate
Reply #1 on: February 26, 2023, 06:51:26 PM
You said the Revolutionary Etude was a disaster when you played it. Can you play it with good control now? The Scherzo, while not relentless the way the Revolutionary is, has many passages of similar difficulty. If you cant manage the revolutionary, it seems unlikely to me you'll manage the scherzo.

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Re: Can i pull off Chopin's Scherzo no 2 as a beginner/intermediate
Reply #2 on: February 26, 2023, 10:02:45 PM
if i start now until this year september would i somewhat be able to pull off Scherzo no.2?
It's impossible to tell. But if I were attempting this, I would try to work on all sorts of relevant technique and some smaller Chopin pieces for ideas on musicality, for say 6 months until August. Then, having had enough time to forget old tendencies, with technique 2.0 I'd start working on the Scherzo and try to finish it by the year end.

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Re: Can i pull off Chopin's Scherzo no 2 as a beginner/intermediate
Reply #3 on: February 27, 2023, 06:12:28 AM
Hmm. I respect and support ambition, but this goal might be a bit out of reach. Compared to the Scherzo, your current repertoire is childís play. Even as a somewhat advanced pianist, I found the scherzo to be deliciously difficult, and I could never play it with such a technique that I would be proud to play it in concert. Because you have 7 months until your goal, there is a high chance you will be able to learn the notes (in which case, go for it!), but the musicality and maturity required to phrase correctly and play cleanly are on a completely different level. Since you already know the Revolutionary Etude, maybe try op. 10 nos. 3, 6, and 9, and op. 25 no 1 (if your hands are big enough and you want a challenge). You can learn a lot of valuable technique with Chopinís Etudes. Nevertheless, if your one goal is to learn the scherzo by September, go for it! Practice hard, and you might just make Chopin proud.  ;D
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Re: Can i pull off Chopin's Scherzo no 2 as a beginner/intermediate
Reply #4 on: February 28, 2023, 09:07:45 AM
You said the Revolutionary Etude was a disaster when you played it. Can you play it with good control now? The Scherzo, while not relentless the way the Revolutionary is, has many passages of similar difficulty. If you cant manage the revolutionary, it seems unlikely to me you'll manage the scherzo.
haven't tried the Etude since fall, i would try to go for it again actually to check it out, but the teachers did say as much as i need work on my passages, my main problem was pedaling and right hand not playing the notes fully, they were like usually without sound, cause my left hand is superior to my right

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Re: Can i pull off Chopin's Scherzo no 2 as a beginner/intermediate
Reply #5 on: February 28, 2023, 09:20:34 AM
Hmm. I respect and support ambition, but this goal might be a bit out of reach. Compared to the Scherzo, your current repertoire is childís play. Even as a somewhat advanced pianist, I found the scherzo to be deliciously difficult, and I could never play it with such a technique that I would be proud to play it in concert. Because you have 7 months until your goal, there is a high chance you will be able to learn the notes (in which case, go for it!), but the musicality and maturity required to phrase correctly and play cleanly are on a completely different level. Since you already know the Revolutionary Etude, maybe try op. 10 nos. 3, 6, and 9, and op. 25 no 1 (if your hands are big enough and you want a challenge). You can learn a lot of valuable technique with Chopinís Etudes. Nevertheless, if your one goal is to learn the scherzo by September, go for it! Practice hard, and you might just make Chopin proud.  ;D
my goal so far is scherzo no 2, but i still wanna normally study it rather than play it with not knowledge.
about the etudes, most pianists tell me my hands are really small, i barely reach an octave with my right hand, i could try them tho but right now i've also been given the Czerny etude op 740 no 47(haven't started)
 

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