Hi,I’m Claire and I’m 11. I’ve been playing piano for 7 years and I’m at a ABRSM grade 8 level (level 10 in rcm).I’ve been wanting to learn Chopin’s etude op 10 no 1 for awhile but don’t know if it’s suitable for my level and would like to get some input from others before committing to learning this piece.I have pretty big hands for my age if that helps.
You don't need such a large stretch to play this piece. You need to move very quickly between positions however. There might be one or two weird stretches, but most of the piece is very manageable in that regard. I don't think Chopin himself could stretch an eleventh.
I agree. In fact I think that if somebody is stretching an eleventh to play this etude then they have not learned what the etude is meant to teach.
...I’ve been wanting to learn Chopin’s etude op 10 no 1 for awhile but don’t know if it’s suitable for my level and would like to get some input from others before committing to learning this piece.
Ha, ha! Moving your hands around and rotating the wrist is cheating, and missing the point of the study. You need to be able to grasp at least most of the arpeggios as solid chords. Remember, Chopin was exploring technical possibilities- not necessarily saying he had perfectly mastered them himself. Someone like Henselt would probably play this piece better than Chopin, I believe. Stretch is not the same as size of hands. It can be developed- as gymnasts do.. I acknowledge that this is not a popular opinion
Stretch is not the same as size of hands. It can be developed- as gymnasts do..
I disagree. Stretch can't be developed much from what I've seen. I could always stretch a tenth and an eleventh was a bit much. Now I can more comfortably stretch an eleventh, but a twelfth will always be impossible for me as my hand is already at about a 180 degree angle at that point. So you can develop stretch to a few millimeters, sure, but I don't think that makes a tremendous difference.
I am of relatively average size (6'3") but can easily stretch a twelfth, because of doing stretching exercises.
There are many pieces that I believe I learned too early in my development, and I truly believe that I would play those pieces better nowadays if I had waited to be more advanced before tackling them.
Actually addressing the question, I would wait a bit. Though I strongly disagree with Ranjit's assessment as one of the hardest piano pieces(our lives would be so much easier if it was), it's not an easy task.
It is one of the hardest pieces out there. The difficulty of a piece is not only determined by the difficulty of playing the notes somewhat in time, but also the difficulty of playing them consistently and keeping it up to a performance ready standard. Many of the great masters struggled with Chopin op 10 no 1 or Chopin op 10 no 2 and refused to play them in concert. You can be sure they could approximately play the piece, but not well enough. They are notoriously difficult, along with pieces like Chopin's thirds etude, Feux Follets, and so on. Relative to op 10 no 1, the Chopin Ocean Etude is a very easy piece, imo. If you think both are of comparable difficulty, you're probably seeing the fast arpeggios but missing a lot of the nuances which make it a monster. In a way, you could argue that some Godowsky study or Alkan ending is harder, but I don't think there really is that much of a difference at that level. All of these are pieces which you could study for your entire lifetime and still struggle with at some level, which makes them comparable in my view. While people think Liszt is harder, I feel like I would (hypothetically) much rather play the Mephisto Waltz or something similar rather than the Chopin op 10 no 1 in concert.
First of all, please avoid posting the same thing twice. There may have just been an issue.Secondly, sure, not moving unless you have to, all for it. But overextending yourself in order to stay static is just objectively bad. Stretching exercises will only help up to the point where your 1st and 5th finger are parallel, and then you're done. For most people, that's around a 10th. For me with slightly above average hands, that's an 11th. There is physically no way to increase that. Unless stretching exercises can magically make your fingers longer, there is no point in continuing to do them. Moving before crossing is absolutely necessary for this etude, or some 99% of pianists will injure themselves. For the remaining 1% with extremely large hands like yourself, you can do what you want with it, but Chopin would not create an Etude to develop a technique that most people couldn't physically achieve. So no, rotating while playing this Etude is not cheating, it's the only possible way to do it unless your hands are the size of dinner plates.
The post appeared twice- I could not delete it, for some reason. As I said about my opinion, it's not a popular opinion (as your response shows)- but it is firmly supported by a historical awareness of attitudes and practices in Chopin's time.
Robertus - if we are to take your statement literally, the hand forever extended - as the Ideal way to approach this piece, which you say is a far more elegant movement of the hand - and that one must train oneself - because of the economy of movement.. To my mind, if we take your statement absolutely literally, that 'elegant' movement would appear ridiculous, especially on the ascending patterns, as the performer must keep the hand completely open when making the jump on the 2nd 16th of beats 2,3 and 4 (when ascending) many times throughout the piece, and the space of a 16th note at high speed to make the jump. (As in your method, there is No Contraction of the hand). The performer would be as elegant as Frankenstein's arm having serious spasms.. But by all means, give it a go, we'd all love to see. Tallyho!