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Topic: Stuck in a section of a Beethoven sonata  (Read 1440 times)

Offline jqmusic

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Stuck in a section of a Beethoven sonata
on: April 20, 2023, 07:48:47 PM
I'm learning Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 16 in G major, Op. 31, No. 1 but I'm having trouble with playing bars 73-81 - shown in the image. My problem is trying to play together both the right-hand notes (which is harder) at the same time as the left-hand notes (which is easier). My own fingering for the notes is fine but it's tricky trying to play it in tempo.

I can't find any tips or tutorials from YouTube or websites about this piece so hopefully some people would know any tips for fixing this problem. Maybe different finger positions?

Offline brogers70

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Re: Stuck in a section of a Beethoven sonata
Reply #1 on: April 21, 2023, 12:18:35 AM
I haven't played it myself, but if I were going to practice coordination I think I would play the LH as written but play only the 1st and 3rd 16ths in each beat in the RH, then I'd play all the 16ths except that I'd leave out the middle note of the chord or the bottom note of the chord. Once I'd gotten one or two of those reduced versions to work well, I'd go back to playing all the notes. Like I say, I haven't played this piece, but I've used the approach for similar passages in other things.

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Re: Stuck in a section of a Beethoven sonata
Reply #2 on: April 24, 2023, 01:34:17 PM
Play just the lower notes of the right hand (the thirds) together with the melody, so you get the melody + an eighth note accompaniment. When you feel really secure and accurate doing this, try adding the missing sixteenths back in. You need to really feel the pulse and how the syncopations fit with it in your body.

Offline jamienc

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Re: Stuck in a section of a Beethoven sonata
Reply #3 on: May 19, 2023, 04:17:23 PM
Pay attention to the articulation and the syncopation in the LH, which is quite specific. After a tied note on the strong beats, lift the LH off the keys, and attack the 16ths with fresh fingers. I suspect you might be playing everything in the LH legato, which makes the coordination with the RH accompaniment a bit more challenging. Go slow to get the feel for when those syncopations occur and you’ll find better “togetherness” between the hands.

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Re: Stuck in a section of a Beethoven sonata
Reply #4 on: May 22, 2023, 07:18:32 PM
Anacrusis gives good advice. That is an effective way to learn this section.
The editor gives a couple of fingering alternatives for the left hand melody which is worth experimenting with.
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