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Offline mavis_

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Etude in F Minor (Op. 10 no. 9 vs Op 25. No 2.)
on: October 14, 2023, 11:46:37 AM
Hi, so audition pre-screening is due in 2 months and I need to learn etude in "F" minor but either of the two op 10 or op 25, which do you think is more feasible to memorize in about 2 weeks or so? I need to showcase virtuosity and musicality (they said these are fairly easy etudes but i need to show skills as well)
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Offline lelle

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Re: Etude in F Minor (Op. 10 no. 9 vs Op 25. No 2.)
Reply #1 on: October 14, 2023, 05:22:41 PM
I think they are pretty equal tbh. Op 10 no 9 is longer, but at the same time you just have to remember a melodic line and some simple harmonic patterns. Op 25 no 2 is shorter, but has a more winding right hand pattern that some might find slightly more challenging to memorize. But they are both short enough that I think they are feasible to memorize in two weeks. I'd pick the one that plays to your strengths.

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Re: Etude in F Minor (Op. 10 no. 9 vs Op 25. No 2.)
Reply #2 on: October 15, 2023, 12:17:10 AM
oh hmm really i'm pretty good with scale-ish type of movement, i'm just scared if the left hand will be a daunting task for me (the op 25) but I  kinda prefer this than the other one because the other one, I have difficulty pinpointing the melodic line (but I just hope I'm able to memorize on time W/ QUALITY)

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Re: Etude in F Minor (Op. 10 no. 9 vs Op 25. No 2.)
Reply #3 on: October 16, 2023, 06:55:22 PM
oh hmm really i'm pretty good with scale-ish type of movement, i'm just scared if the left hand will be a daunting task for me (the op 25) but I  kinda prefer this than the other one because the other one, I have difficulty pinpointing the melodic line (but I just hope I'm able to memorize on time W/ QUALITY)

What makes the left hand of op 25 no 2 look more difficult to you than the left hand in op 10 no 9?

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Re: Etude in F Minor (Op. 10 no. 9 vs Op 25. No 2.)
Reply #4 on: October 19, 2023, 09:07:48 AM
The left hand of 10/9 is much more difficult to manage simply because of the awkward shapes of some of the harmonic progressions, and the range the left hand must cover rapidly among a key that has a relatively equal balance of black and white notes. The need to gesture around some of the black notes is no easy task in this etude. Add to that the fact that the left hand is much busier than the right in this piece requires careful control of the dynamic balance so that it doesn’t overpower the melody. Granted, Chopin indicates an aggressive treatment of the melody through most of it, but the left hand should still be treated as a dark murmur underneath to get the intended effect.

I have always been pretty baffled by the general assumption that 25/2 is “easy.” It isn’t, and I have yet to hear a performance of this etude that is interpreted correctly. I posted my thoughts on this in another area here, but instead of searching for it I’ll just restate. The often found (and incorrect) interpretation of this etude involves the violation of what Chopin clearly indicates as the meter of the piece and how the rhythms within are to be treated. The “wrong” way is following the left hand as the metrical pulse and linking two eighths of the right hand to each quarter note in the triplets below. Playing is this way definitely makes it “easier.” However, this ultimately changes the meter to a 6/4 feel, which is not what Chopin wants. He clearly instructs us to feel this in a cut-time meter and follow the metrical pulse of the triplets in the right hand (1+2+), thus rendering the left hand as a rather disorienting cross rhythm against the right. The scale passages themselves are not difficult, but maintaining the correct metrical pulse is what makes this etude deceptively difficult. I know this issue might cause a bit of debate, but the directions in the score are solid and it’s our job to honor them to the best of our ability.

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Re: Etude in F Minor (Op. 10 no. 9 vs Op 25. No 2.)
Reply #5 on: October 19, 2023, 05:25:54 PM
I have always been pretty baffled by the general assumption that 25/2 is “easy.” It isn’t, and I have yet to hear a performance of this etude that is interpreted correctly.

I agree with you about two things. First, it sure looks like it's notated with the cross rhythms in mind. Second, I've listened to lots of recordings by the greats, and I've never been able to hear the cross rhythms.

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Re: Etude in F Minor (Op. 10 no. 9 vs Op 25. No 2.)
Reply #6 on: November 08, 2023, 03:19:58 PM
i played the op 25 n 2 one at 12 years old. I think they're pretty equal but the op 10 n 9 have a very large leap in LH that can cause some trouble and in the op 25 n 2 the triplets that have to sound like triplets and to mate it sound triplet you to do an accent on every first note on the triplet.
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